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26CornerBlitz

Andy Benoit: Eagles and Rams Developed Wentz and Goff the Right Way

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Seven times in NFL history, quarterbacks have been taken 1 and 2 in the draft. The first five times, at least one team wound up disappointed, while the sixth time (Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota) brought two quality starters with a chance to develop into something more. The seventh time, the two franchises appear to have struck gold.

 

Time will tell whether or not they sustain this success, but when Jared Goff and Carson Wentz take the field at the L.A. Coliseum this Sunday, the 2016 No. 1 pick, Goff, will have passer rating of 98.4 on the season. The No. 2 pick, Wentz, will have a rating of 102.0. Their offenses will enter as the only ones averaging over 30 points per game, and their teams will be a combined 19-5, with front-runner positioning for an NFC playoff bye week on the line.

 

How did we get here? And how did we arrive so soon? Before exploring that, let’s understand one thing: This is not a debate about who is better between Goff or Wentz. Because there is no debate. It’s Wentz. He and Goff may have entered the league in the same class of QBs, but the class Wentz resides in now includes the likes of Brady, Rodgers, Ryan and Brees. Goff, on the other hand, is still roaming the halls, searching for a room, bumping into QBs like Derek Carr and Jameis Winston along the way.

 

 

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Really? He's already crowning Wentz alongside guys like Brady and Brees? That's a little premature, IMO. Wentz is having an excellent season but the key factor in him being mentioned in the same class as those QBs would be consistency. Can/will he play like that each season?

 

And it's interesting to see how things have played out between Winston/Mariota and Wentz/Goff. Popular opinion said Winston and Mariota would be the better players. But as of right now, Goff and Wentz are quite a ways ahead of those dudes. 

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Obviously both QB's are progressing very well and look to have great futures, but these are the #1 and #2 picks, no surprise that they are doing well. I think a big reason is that both players are surrounded by great talent. Strong lines, great running games and excellent receivers makes it much easier for QB's to have early success. I'm not so sure the 'development strategy' is the key or just having a lineup a excellent players at all positions.

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Getting the qb is obviously important. But putting your expensive investment in the best possible situation is critical to the success of your  qb and team. Let's look at the Goff situation to illustrate that point. The organization in one offseasond surrounded the qb with added talent and dramatically better coaching compared to his rookie year. Those upgrades certainly contributed to his leap forward in this second year. The Rams added two starting offensive linemen and they significantly added talent to the receiving corps with the addition of Kupp, Woods and Watkins. With the improvement in the OL their running game with Gurley as their prime back took a lot of pressure off of the young qb.  When the tally is added up in what the Rams did in one offseason it was really smart and impressive.

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4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Kudo's to both.   

 

Unfortunately we won't know who they really are for another few seasons.  

 

 

I tend to believe this will be the case.  Look at what has happened with some who have come before, RGIII crashed and burned and a less severe example of a first year darling falling from grace is Dak Prescott.  The league s generally cruel to QB’s and sustaining a high level of performance is very difficult.  Maybe these two will defy the odds.

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I feel like the rams have a ton of weapons on offense and have a qb who's not afraid to throw it. If Goff was a bill I suspect he wouldn't be nearly as good as what he's been this year 

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2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I tend to believe this will be the case.  Look at what has happened with some who have come before, RGIII crashed and burned and a less severe example of a first year darling falling from grace is Dak Prescott.  The league s generally cruel to QB’s and sustaining a high level of performance is very difficult.  Maybe these two will defy the odds.

 

Look at the offensive systems as well as the supporting casts with good OLs, strong running games, and a nice complement of weapons for each. 

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1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Look at the offensive systems as well as the supporting casts with good OLs, strong running games, and a nice complement of weapons for each. 

 

 

Yeah but that also supports my point, coaches change, supporting casts change and d-coordinators “figure out” guys (not to mention injuries happen).  The combination of these factors makes it hard for QB’s to remain on top of the heap.  Again, both of these guys have the talent to do it but we will not know until a couple of more seasons pass if they can sustain their early accomplishments.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Getting the qb is obviously important. But putting your expensive investment in the best possible situation is critical to the success of your  qb and team. Let's look at the Goff situation to illustrate that point. The organization in one offseasond surrounded the qb with added talent and dramatically better coaching compared to his rookie year. Those upgrades certainly contributed to his leap forward in this second year. The Rams added two starting offensive linemen and they significantly added talent to the receiving corps with the addition of Kupp, Woods and Watkins. With the improvement in the OL their running game with Gurley as their prime back took a lot of pressure off of the young qb.  When the tally is added up in what the Rams did in one offseason it was really smart and impressive.

sounds like an endorsement for drafting O Line men this spring

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1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said:

Yeah but that also supports my point, coaches change, supporting casts change and d-coordinators “figure out” guys (not to mention injuries happen).  The combination of these factors makes it hard for QB’s to remain on top of the heap.  Again, both of these guys have the talent to do it but we will not know until a couple of more seasons pass if they can sustain their early accomplishments.

 

Of course they have to prove they can sustain a level of good play over the course of time and I like their chances given what they've been given to work with. 

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10 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I tend to believe this will be the case.  Look at what has happened with some who have come before, RGIII crashed and burned and a less severe example of a first year darling falling from grace is Dak Prescott.  The league s generally cruel to QB’s and sustaining a high level of performance is very difficult.  Maybe these two will defy the odds.

I was going to mention RG III but chose not to along with Jay Cutler,  Kyle Orton, Jake Plummer, Tim Tebow all over hyped JAG quarter backs 

 

hmmm all but RGIII played in Denver 

 

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Getting a QB is THE priority this Off-season, but the Bills will have plenty of FA money to do much, much more....from getting a couple new WRs, Offensive line, new TE, and probably a new RB (not that Shady hasn't been great), while also getting key defensive players to help with field position and getting the Offense back on the field.

 

Let's also keep in mind this is the SECOND season for both of them.....meaning, you can't bail on your young, developing QB after one season. You have to stick him out there, let him learn by throwing INTs, getting hit and getting back up, learning the Offense and for God's sake, keep the same OC. So, Bills - if you're going to change OCs, for the love of God, do it BEFORE you draft your QB of the future and then let him grow and develop. 

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3 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Yeah but that also supports my point, coaches change, supporting casts change and d-coordinators “figure out” guys (not to mention injuries happen).  The combination of these factors makes it hard for QB’s to remain on top of the heap.  Again, both of these guys have the talent to do it but we will not know until a couple of more seasons pass if they can sustain their early accomplishments.

 

 

you are talking to a man who has anointed Nate a failure before he took the first snap in LA.   

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1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said:

Getting a QB is THE priority this Off-season, but the Bills will have plenty of FA money to do much, much more.

Don't forget we need an O Line to protect any QB and get the running game going.  The WR position can wait until FA.

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:worthy:   :worthy:

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4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

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:lol:  He sure did whiff there. Personally,  I never liked either Bortles nor Tannehill.

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The Bills hooked the Rams up.  And the Rams developed of Goff last year was terrible.

 

sadly, the Bills suck at picking Qbs and developing them.

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But it's andy Benoit!!!

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look at their offensive lines, that is a big big part of why these guys look so good and guys like Winston seem to struggle. Tough to throw when you're on your back. 

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Cool, click bait to something way too presumptuous and early to declare!

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32 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

sounds like an endorsement for drafting O Line men this spring

The better question, is the offense as constructed "good enough" for a young QB to succeed? 

I think it's a decent situation with average talent. It will never be perfect. 

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Look I've liked Wentz from day 1 and I think he's going to be great eventually, but you can't put him in the same class as Brady and Rodgers...he's not even in the same school district. 

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1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

Really? He's already crowning Wentz alongside guys like Brady and Brees? That's a little premature, IMO. Wentz is having an excellent season but the key factor in him being mentioned in the same class as those QBs would be consistency. Can/will he play like that each season?

 

And it's interesting to see how things have played out between Winston/Mariota and Wentz/Goff. Popular opinion said Winston and Mariota would be the better players. But as of right now, Goff and Wentz are quite a ways ahead of those dudes. 

 

I mean, if you saw Wentz last year, how he was making checks at the line and calling audibles from the start and compare that to how Goff is right now having his coach call the audibles for him through the headset, it makes sense that they would be making a claim like this. Wentz looks like the real deal, while I'm still not sure Goff isn't Nick Foles in Chip Kelly's system. But, of course, time will tell.

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