SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Easy. Paul Posluzny. The Poz then he bailed for big bucs and IIRC wasn’t too happy going to a losing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 22 hours ago, Elite Poster said: Lesean freaking HOF McCoy I'm not sure where this Hall of Fame Lesean McCoy thing came from. From Pro Football Reference, McCoy's top comparables: Delvin Williams, Terry Metcalf, Wendell Tyler, Joe Cribbs, Chris Warren, Curt Warner, John Brockington, Sam Cunningham, Paul Lowe, Sherman Smith Fine running backs, all of them. Not a Hall of Famer to be found among them. Not even really a good argument to be made for any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Remember when our backfield included a young McGahee and Travis Henry. We could have built an explosive offense around them and ended this drought over a decade ago. Actually, looking at the 2004 roster, it makes no sense we didn't make the playoffs that year and start building a dynasty. I'd take something similar to that roster again in a heartbeat. Edited December 8, 2017 by DisplacedBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 23 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: I don't think these are good candidates. Both went on to have very good careers with other teams Maybe it really is the Hall of Very Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, DisplacedBillsFan said: Remember when our backfield included a young McGahee and Travis Henry. We could have built an explosive offense around them and ended this drought over a decade ago. Actually, looking at the 2004 roster, it makes no sense we didn't make the playoffs that year and start building a dynasty. I'd take something similar to that roster again in a heartbeat. OK, you made me look. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2004.htm Yep, that has to have been the most talented Bills team since the (AFC) dynasty teams. And it all came down to losing to the Steelers' scrubs. That was literally an "only the Bills" moment. 4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Preach!! The player we wasted during the drought? Easy. Paul Posluzny. MLB that could have stayed on our team for ten years...he's still playing and playing well. MLB is the QB of the defense. Too bad we let him leave. Less obvious choice: Eric Lee I saw that Poz had about a dozen tackles for the Jags last week. For us? Too slow. Too injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Pat Williams should have been a lifelong Bill. Instead our FO thought Ted Anderson was ready to step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 17 hours ago, corta765 said: If were going actual production and not just talent/potential I would go in this order: 1. London Fletcher (Dude might make the HOF) 2. LeSean McCoy (Recent but dear god is he good) 3. Kyle Williams (Enough said) 4. Fred Jackson (Enough said) I understand those who would say Marshawn Lynch but he really made his mark more in Seattle. NOW If we going off of talent regardless of if they actually hit their full potential my list looks like this: 1. CJ Spiller (He had one season where we saw what he really could do and before and after that season Chan couldn't out how to use him enough. I really believe had he had the proper coach and injuries didn't effect him the guy could've been an all time great. Different team and offense and I believe his story is far different) 2. Kyle Williams (If he wasn't in Buffalo aon a team that makes the playoffs a lot he might be in the discussion for the HOF some day. His numbers were always good and his play had almost zero drop off for a decade) 3. Eric Wood (When an offense is good and the QB play is good the line gets credit fair or not. Wood has always played at a pretty high level and with a better QB I think it would've enhanced his career) 4. Antoine Winfield (BUF completely botched this thinking Nate Clements was the better player and not wanting to pay him money to stay here. Clements was decent, but Winfield turned into a Pro Bowl CB and had a far longer more productive career. If the Bills had kept Winfield they don't end up drafting McKelvin because Clements leaving after 06 forced that draft pick and wasn't worth the money he wanted, Winfield was.) I was going to nominate Spiller as I also think that other than that one season he wasn't used properly. I thought he should've been used like the Saints used Sproles. Then, after Buffalo, he spent time with the Saints, back with Gailey with the Jets, in KC with Reid, etc. and still wasn't very productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 11 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Chris Hogan and Aaron Williams. It is clear to me that our players's value cannot be properly assessed with the garbage we have had at QB and previous coaches. This is just wrong. Hogan hasn't even been great with the best QB of all time. Williams plays defense and was a bust as a corner turned to serviceable safety. 11 hours ago, GoBills808 said: If Moulds counts I would like to add Winfield. I like this. He had hands of stone but other than that was an amazing cb. 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm not sure where this Hall of Fame Lesean McCoy thing came from. From Pro Football Reference, McCoy's top comparables: Delvin Williams, Terry Metcalf, Wendell Tyler, Joe Cribbs, Chris Warren, Curt Warner, John Brockington, Sam Cunningham, Paul Lowe, Sherman Smith Fine running backs, all of them. Not a Hall of Famer to be found among them. Not even really a good argument to be made for any of them. I looked at all their stats. Did you? None of them have near the success he does. What do I care what some website says when they are going to say guys with 3500 rushing yards are comparable to McCoy. Your point fell flat on its face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Doug Marrone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Capco Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 On 12/7/2017 at 7:31 AM, transient said: Hands down, Gibran Hamdan. Reminds me of a fan group that called themselves "Hamdan's Honeys" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm not sure where this Hall of Fame Lesean McCoy thing came from. From Pro Football Reference, McCoy's top comparables: Delvin Williams, Terry Metcalf, Wendell Tyler, Joe Cribbs, Chris Warren, Curt Warner, John Brockington, Sam Cunningham, Paul Lowe, Sherman Smith Fine running backs, all of them. Not a Hall of Famer to be found among them. Not even really a good argument to be made for any of them. I'm not sure how PFF comparables really matter. Just because some aspects of Shady's game compares to some other guys, doesn't mean his talent is at the same level. This is just weird logic: PFF compares Shady to Delvin Williams so Shady can't be that good. PFF, by the way, also said that McCoy wouldn't be successful in Buffalo in a Roman scheme after the trade from Philly. They were wrong. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/lesean-mccoy-lost-in-space Edited December 8, 2017 by hondo in seattle add link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobo Peterman Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) On 12/7/2017 at 8:55 AM, bigK14094 said: The Bills have been serving as a farm team for the rest of the league. Lots of success for those leaving. That has to stop to produce a winner here. As far a Jason Peters, he willingly violated his contract with the Bills....and is a no good individual, his legal word is not good. He deliberately laid down on the job to get traded. There needs to be a good faith effort clause in these big contracts. (J Byrd did the same and is also somebody I never want to see again in Buffalo as he is also low character) By converting Peters to OT the Bills made him a multimillionaire . When Peters left I remember a former Bills player saying Peters didn't want to be in Buffalo, you weren't going to be able to keep him. Donald Jones spoke similar thoughts about Robert Woods this year on WGR. It was going to difficult to resign him when LA , his hometown, was offering hime 8 million. Edited December 8, 2017 by Jacobo Peterman words !@#$ converted to Greek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 If somehow Eric Moulds ending up playing with Peyton Manning I think he would've been considered one of the top 5 WR's to ever play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 16 hours ago, DisplacedBillsFan said: Remember when our backfield included a young McGahee and Travis Henry. We could have built an explosive offense around them and ended this drought over a decade ago. Actually, looking at the 2004 roster, it makes no sense we didn't make the playoffs that year and start building a dynasty. I'd take something similar to that roster again in a heartbeat. Mcgahee ended up with borderline HoF numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Clearly Dareus. Word is the dude got a third lung implanted to increase the intensity of every bong hit. He was wasted 24/7 after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: If somehow Eric Moulds ending up playing with Peyton Manning I think he would've been considered one of the top 5 WR's to ever play the game. Did this ever happen in Hawaii? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Sammy Watkins? Mike Williams (OT) Stevie Johnson Peerless Price Travis Henry?? Rosco Parrish Robert Royal Jairus Byrd? John McCargo? Donte Whitner? Torrell Troup? Kevin Everett? Pat Williams Reggie Ragland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: I'm not sure how PFF comparables really matter. Just because some aspects of Shady's game compares to some other guys, doesn't mean his talent is at the same level. This is just weird logic: PFF compares Shady to Delvin Williams so Shady can't be that good. PFF, by the way, also said that McCoy wouldn't be successful in Buffalo in a Roman scheme after the trade from Philly. They were wrong. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/lesean-mccoy-lost-in-space That was actually from Pro Football Reference, not PFF. And no, it's not perfect. But if you look at their 7-year career comps for Shady, you'll see Frank Gore on there. And that strikes me as a very good comp, not in running style, but in effectiveness over a long career. If Shady lasts as long as Gore (and remains effective into his 30s) he may have a very good case for the HOF. But there's no "first ballot no brainer HOF" stuff for him. The hall of the very good for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 On 12/7/2017 at 8:39 AM, NewEra said: Only 3 years, but shady is by far the most “wasted” talent imo. Eric Moulds was insanely talented but I feel the Shady is the most elite talent we’ve had on this team during the drought. Jason Peters is a close second but he wasn’t really wasted on the Bills. The Bills gave him a chance to become a HoFer playing for a different team. Shady is a definite future HoFer imo. An elite back wasting his final prime years for a team without a passing attack. Have to agree on this one. We made a great trade to get one of the premier RBs in the league and we have left him lying flat on his face on New Era Field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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