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Should we try to trade Shaq?

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3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Yeah, as much as I hate that. I wonder how much of that pick is on Rex? 

 

It's all on rex and the Pegulas. As is the Ragland pick.

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3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Absolutely. 

 Kinda carzy how we Bills Fans looks forward to the offseason most years , isn't it ?

 But this year i am looking forward to it. Lot of work to get done for sure both draft and FA etc

there's so little activity concerning the upcoming game right now.

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Shaq looks like just the same as he did coming out of Clemson.  A slow off the line, run stuffing DE.  He will never live up to the hype of a 1st rd. pick because he will never be a good pass rusher in the NFL.  He is much too slow and is extremely slow off the snap.  I remember watching a Matt Waldman film breakdown of Shaq headed into his years draft and the one main takeaway was how ridiculously slow he was off the snap.  There were screenshots of many plays where every single Clemson D-lineman was well out of their stance and pushing into the backfield while Shaq wasn't even out of his 3 point stance yet.

 

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4 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Shaq doesn't look at all like a 1st round pick at this point. Some points to consider.

1. He is still less than 25 games into his NFL career.

2. What could we get for him? Would it be worth it?

3. Is he worth the money we're paying him now (disregarding present injury) or should we just move him and free up cap space that might be better spent?

 

His cap hit is currently $2.3M.

 

Next year it's $2.8M, and the dead cap hit would be $6M. 

 

The year after his cap hit is $3.2M and the dead cap hit is the same. 

 

So, to me, it seems like it's worth keeping him at least another year. Let's see what Waufle can do with him. It's not like we have any talented defensive ends waiting in the wings... or much talent on the d line as it is, and we don't know if Kyle Islliams will be back next year. 

 

IMO we need to be adding to the d line, not subtracting from it. Not everyone comes into the NFL and immediately tears it up. 

 

The only way I trade Lawson before next season is if something good is coming back. 

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4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

A Denney would be fine. with a complimentary front.  Give Lawson some time please

why do we think he should be gone again ? i can't seem to grasp that bit..

 

 

People think he isn't living up to his draft position, which is true. But you don't necessarily have to do that to be a useful player. What you should live up to is your salary. And at $2.5 mill per year, he probably just about does that.

 

And when you do that, you generally stay around till they get somebody better or as good but cheaper.

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5 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Shaq doesn't look at all like a 1st round pick at this point. Some points to consider.

1. He is still less than 25 games into his NFL career.

2. What could we get for him? Would it be worth it?

3. Is he worth the money we're paying him now (disregarding present injury) or should we just move him and free up cap space that might be better spent?

 

While its a fair question, I think its a bit early.  Let him and this regime be together another year before we start making any real conclusions about him.  Colts I am pretty sure regret giving up on Hughes a year too soon when they traded him to us for a guy who did very little in Sheppard.

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7 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Yes. Disperse all players in a league wide draft and act as if the Buffalo Bills are an expansion team.  :rolleyes:

more draft picks....amIright?

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9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I found it interesting/surprising that Murph and Donald both insinuated today that they thought he would be traded in the offseason. They suggested he was not consistent enough producing in his role as a pass rusher.

 

Sal Capaccio also said the same thing.

He gives it a 75/25 that Lawson comes back.

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I've said it before, I think Hughes is gone after this year. The contract and the negative yards through bad penalties....that means, if they cut Shaq or trade him for Draft pick(s), that would require two DEs on their revamped D-line...and considering that Kyle may very well retire and they need DT pretty badly already, I'd say it's too much turnover for one year. As someone else mentioned, he was on IR last year, this was essentially his Rookie year in a new Defensive scheme. I think they give Shaq another year for the reasons mentioned.

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I would be more surprised if they move on from Hughes than Shaq. He’s actually a good pass rusher. I know he has a big cap hit but they aren’t cap strapped. Pass rushers are very expensive in FA, don’t think it would be too easy to replace him. The penalties would be the only reason but no one is perfect, he doesn’t have any other issues that i know of that would make them want to get rid of him. Beefing up the interior of the line would immediately increase his production too imo and they need to do that anyway.

 

Then again im usually wrong. 

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It's his first year. He's still developing. Christ  ppl here think every player and rookie should b Lawrence Taylor ...

 

No...

 

Once we get a real qb, all this other stuff just goes away. Yes a real qb effect s the pass rush. You know why genius???

 

Because you are constantly playing with a lead, sometimes a huge lead.

 

Put Rodgers on our team and Lawson and Hughes are in double digits each in sacks

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12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You’d get something similar to Ragland i would imagine. Shaq is a solid player. I know that’s uninspiring for a 1st round pick but he’s good against the run and will be like an 8 sack guy. He’s Ryan Denney IMO.

In general, the Whaley draft selections were less than inspiring. The constant change in coaches and systems certainly influenced the incoherency in the collection of players. But over a three to four year period it was lackluster. Whaley had a tendency to over-rate his roster and make moves to get over the hump. In the end being expedient instead of having a coherent strategy kept this team stuck in the middle. 

 

I'm not saying that Whaley was a bad GM. I am saying that he wasn't a good GM. While many, if not most, shudder at the wrestling coach's dismantling of the roster I am embracing it. 

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13 hours ago, GreggTX said:

I dunno. I think we're pretty average overall. I also think White, Jones and Dawkins have bright futures. We also have a lot of picks and will save some of that huge contract money from Dareus. The real #1 question for Bills fans now is "How well can Beane draft?" If he nails those picks on day 1 and 2 of the draft ands gets a QB, whole new ballgame.

 

I expect a first round pick to be more than just average. 

 

And I haven't seen anything from Zay Jones. His catch rate is the worst from an NFL receiver in over 10 years. He's not explosive, doesn't generate much separation and offers nothing on special teams. I don't see a bright future for him at all. 

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I would have liked to see Shaq have a better 2nd season.....

 

Having said that....you cant keep giving up on high picks and selling low....we did that with some guys like Watkins but I think that was as much a money situation as anything.  Shaq is on a extremely affordable rookie contract and has a solid chance of improving his pass rush while already being very good against the run.

 

I think the final determination is.....is he a McD type player?   It appears that Darby and Reggie Ragland was not who falls into that same category of drafting hi selling low.

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16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You’d get something similar to Ragland i would imagine. Shaq is a solid player. I know that’s uninspiring for a 1st round pick but he’s good against the run and will be like an 8 sack guy. He’s Ryan Denney IMO.

 

I'm not really seeing how he's an 8 sack guy. From everything I've seen of his pass rush, it looks pretty awful. He gets swallowed up by the tackle and has no good pass rush move to get off a block. On the run front, I've noticed him catching the block quite a few times and getting knocked back. Just not really seeing what everyone else seems to be seeing with this guy.

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I think he has more value as a low end starter or rotational player than he would in a trade situation. His contract is relatively cheap for next year, and we need bodies that know the defense, not just a bunch of rookies and new guys again. 

 

He's a bridge until they get a better EDGE defender to go along with Hughes in the draft (along with some DTs).

 

Also, (as others said) who is going to want him based on his body of work so far? 

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1 minute ago, DC Greg said:

 

I'm not really seeing how he's an 8 sack guy. From everything I've seen of his pass rush, it looks pretty awful. He gets swallowed up by the tackle and has no good pass rush move to get off a block. On the run front, I've noticed him catching the block quite a few times and getting knocked back. Just not really seeing what everyone else seems to be seeing with this guy.

He has 4 now while acclimating to the speed of the game. It’s not unreasonable to think that he can get to 8 by next year. He’d have been at like 6 this year. 

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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He has 4 now while acclimating to the speed of the game. It’s not unreasonable to think that he can get to 8 by next year. He’d have been at like 6 this year. 

Except sacks come in bunches and almost never extrapolate out like that.  Shaq went 5 games straight without a sack this season.

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