Fadingpain Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? Focus all resources on getting the QB first, b/c without him, the OL doesn't matter. Once you have a pretty good idea that you have the right QB, I would expend resources that directly help the QB. That means OL, WR, Gronk type huge TE if you can find one. I woud NOT expend resources, first, on something far removed from the QB position, like DT for example. The QB and the important pieces directly related to his performance are what counts! If you have that, you will remain in and win a lot of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 To go back to the initial conversation why aren’t all of these things done simultaneously? The Bills will be using draft assets to get a QB early. They have a ton of cap space and still have a handful more draft picks. There will be a bunch of areas addressed this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 I mean what would you address first? I know it can all be done in the same draft and or offseason. Do you draft a QB first? or draft an elite OL first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Franchise QB > OL > Starting QB. So it depends. If it's a franchise QB get him at all cost. If it's a first round QB who needs to be developed over two or three years, take the OL. Edited December 6, 2017 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, kevnallen said: If you see a franchise QB, grab him. Franchise QBs are very hard to find. If the QB isn’t likely a franchise play, go with the best player available I would modify this statement: If you see a franchise QB, grab him. Franchise QBs are very hard to find. If the QB isn’t likely a franchise play, go with the best player available if it fills a need, if best player available does not fill a need, trade down and compile more picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: I mean what would you address first? I know it can all be done in the same draft and or offseason. Do you draft a QB first? or draft an elite OL first? I would put the odds of QB right near 100%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Pbomb said: Both are important and we can fix both this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 We have lots of picks to spend to move up. Most of the teams looking to draft ahead of us may not need a QB and will be looking to trade down. I say spend both 1's and a 2nd on a top 5 draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Offensive line - no doubt in my mind. Richie isn't getting any younger and I think a lot of people forget that. Without at least a solid offensive line, even a great QB will look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 A QB is the most important player on any team. The GM and Coach know that this is what will keep them around for 4-10 years. The ONLY teams to make the playoffs and sniff the championship games have quality QBs. The fact is that teams draft 2-3 very good offensive linemen, but the good ones also grab late round players and coach them up. Coaching, scheme and coachable players are the key. Note: TE is not mentioned in this, because of Clay's contract, but it is the in the top 5 most important positions for a QB (LT, RB, TE, C and WR). WR last, because it is the threat of a run game and the "check down"/"mismatch" players that help a QB have time to go through progressions and learn a system properly. I would trade 2x first picks and a 3rd to get my guy and use the 2x second round picks on 2 potential starters at any position. Are offensive line is close to being fixed. RG/RT is key (note: we have Groy as back up for 3 positions). IF and a huge maybe, if Glen can get healthy and play RT, then a guard would be a great addition. Note: Wood and/or Glen need to go soon to save cap. The unfortunate thing is that this philosophy puts us another 2 years away from a great team. We need to shed cap and replace most of the defense over time. Look at the players closely (age, average players, free agents). Offensively, we need receivers. Look at what Goff and Wentz has. 2018 Draft Round #1 QB (Leader, Pocket Awareness, Blue Chip), Round #2 G (power blocker), Round #2 WR (deep threat), Round #4 RB (strong class), 5-7 DT, LB, CB - protect the passer and add weapons for growth - own the time clock and play field position battles Free Agents: 1-3 defensive starters (1 at each level) Note: If we stay put and take a QB (Mayfield), then I believe that we can be more competitive in 2018. I am not comfortable with that at this point, but not opposed. 2019 Draft DEFENSE and more DEFENSE!!! Fill the holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Use both 1st round picks and trade for a QB. If that doesn't work trade both 1st round picks and a 5th pick this year and a pick next year for a QB. If that doesn't work trade both 1st round picks and a second round pick for a QB. If that doesn't work trade both 1st round picks, a second and a pick next year for a QB. If that doesn't work trade both 1st round picks and a 1st round pick next yea for a QB. GET THE POINT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Logic states that an elite OL and mediocre QB can have a dominant run game and thus win games. but a mediocre line and elite QB will not end well for the team and ultimately your elite QB will get killed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Well if your rookie QB you traded up for gets carted off the field after taking a serious pounding you may have an answer. I'd fix the O-line first. No QB drafted is gonna get settled in and find a rythm behind a Swiss cheese line. If QB is the most important position on the field you would think you would want to invest heavy into protecting him. Especially if it's a rookie looking to find his stride. Edited December 6, 2017 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Speaking of the OL, does anyone have any facts about Groy? What's up with him not hardly playing at all? You would think they would of tested him a little more. I thought he played well last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 6 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? If you think you have a shot at a real qb, the answer to nearly any nfl question is take the qb and sort the rest out later. when you start talking fix the OL or take a flyer on a long shot qb that obviously changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Get our quarterback if he's available somehow. If not, don't trade up for lesser talent, we could have offensive line in one draft if the talent is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? that's a good question. IMO for this team anyways, I'd get the QB 1st. Whether it be a high draft pick or someone like maybe a Kirk Cousins. Either way this Oline has had it's flaws, but I think they have some guys that are pretty good. Maybe just a "tune up" would be needed. The rookie Dawkins is showing good promise so if we could get the right side of the line fixed with a couple key guys any QB should be "okay". Every Oline is going to get beaten from time to time. Even the best in the NFL, but it's time for this franchise in particular to get their QB, whomever it be and piece together the rest from there. Edited December 6, 2017 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) QB is by far the most important position on the team and OL talent is sparce. I say QB first, definitely. Just don't trade off Taylor for Cousins because that would be pointless. If you can't sign or draft someone that is or you believe strongly will soon be a top tier QB, you might as well keep Taylor or go with Peterman if you think he can be a stop gap or better. Cousins is better, but not all that much. We need to shoot for the stars. After all, there are 31 other teams after that Lombardi trophy. If you want to get to the top, you can't be aimed at the middle. I know you can't have probowlers at every position, but having one of the best at QB is a huge competitive advantage. Edited December 7, 2017 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Quarterback, if the talent level around him sucks, sign a veteran QB in FA while we redshirt the rookie. Bradford, Keenum or Bridgewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 QB. That is all. OL should be the #2 priority. You can pick up good Olinemen in FA, you can't pick up a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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