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All 3 former Bills coaches now division co-leaders

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5 hours ago, BigDingus said:


Before the season, all the fans expected us to not be even semi-competitive and to win 5 or less games. That hasn't happened. To try and now describe the "proper way to lose" (as if there is such a thing) is ridiculous. And to expect a coach to actually TRY and tank is even more absurd. 

Armchair judgement is just goofy in and of itself. Trading for Benjamin made complete sense at the time. When you're exceeding all expectations, try and give the offense a much needed upgrade and hope to help support the defense that's winning us games. Signing Anquan Boldin a move every team does, sign experienced vets for short contracts to fill spots. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Convincing Kyle to come back is solely on Kyle. He's a grown-*** man and makes his own choices. He has been a part of this team forever, and not once sniffed the playoffs. To think he didn't know what he was getting into is absolute speculation and nonsense. He knows we have a rookie head coach, and are building for the future, it's all on him if he wanted to stay...He wouldn't blame others, and neither should you. It's all conjecture and a non-issue.

 

If you think starting Peterman was about Peterman more than it was about Tyrod, you're looking at the wrong thing. The offense sucked. It has sucked all  year. It still sucks. We were losing more & more ground with a huge inept offense that was desperate. Our defense had won us 5 games, but when the turnovers and dominant play stopped, so did the team. They've been winning in spite of a horrendous offense all year. Throwing for sub-100 yards multiple games, and leading the league in 3 & outs is a great way to get stomped. He made a change to see if something would change. It didn't. At least he tried SOMETHING instead of sitting by and watching the collapse like a bystander as we crap away the season ONCE AGAIN (this isn't the first Bills team to get off to a fast start, then nearly lose out the remainder of the season).

Trading Sammy was again, before the season started. We only had him for another year, might as well get something out of him. How can you be against Benjamin and for Sammy? Mesh with Tyrod's skillset? You mean his skill to dump off to RB's on 3rd & long? Or the skill to never throw to anyone unless they're 6 yards open on all sides? A good receiver is a good receiver. It's up to the QB to get him the ball. McDermott didn't know we would be 5-2 almost half way through the season. Nobody did. So trying to obtain draft capital heading into the season isn't shocking in any way.

Dennison, Gailey, Roman, Lynn, Hackett, etc. are always the scapegoat for why our offense sucks. One thing they've had in common? The QB sucks. They don't execute. Every friggin year people point to the OC when the offense fails, but it makes no sense when game after game there are countless plays left on the field that were screwed up by the guy behind center. Romo pointed out countless times Tyrod's ineptitude (in the nicest ways possible), throwing a dump pass to a man in double coverage short of the sticks, while if he just looked 3 feet over he had a man wide open. Dennison didn't make Tyrod run 19 yards backwards & take a sack. Dennison didn't make Tyrod throw at O'leary's feet when he had 15 yards of open space in the KC game that made him have to fall short of a 3rd down, giving the ball back to the Chiefs with a chance for them to win the game (fortunately the defense bailed him out), Dennison didn't make Taylor throw a softball right to a defender on 1st & goal, Dennison didn't make Tyrod throw over receiver's heads... I mean it happens ALL THE TIME, yet we just implement a new scheme every damn year, as if that'll just flip a switch.

In 2017, you have to be able to pass the ball. Trying to be a running team with only spurts of passing when needed is cute, but ineffective. It's basically a nice way of saying "it's our only option because we don't have a QB capable of being a QB." And yes, the O-line matters too, and it needs to be upgraded, but that again just leads to execution on the field. The line is not executing, just as Tyrod is not executing. Go ahead, hope the coaching carousel continues. I've had enough. 

 

Couldn't have said it better.  This offseason should be quite telling.

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8 hours ago, Foreigner said:

Tennessee and Jacksonville tied for the AFC South lead, and the LA Chargers tied for

the lead in the AFC West  today.

All Coached by former Bills Coaches who either weren't good enough here or had to get

away from this organization. I!m not smart enough to know what that means, maybe

others can tell me. 

And  former HC, Wade Philips has his defense playing well and leading their division out in LA and while not a HC here, he was wanted for the position by fans. DC Jim Schwartz is riding high with the 10-2 eagles. 

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Remember when everyone wanted Hue Jackson so badly?

hows that working out?

McCoach is fine. Let him get his bearings. 

 

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46 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

But McDermott is a better coach. He claps better, prepares better, and says the right words better. Overall the process is better with McDermott. Trust in the process better .

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Just when you think you have hit rock bottom as a Bills fan there is always that one guy to pull out a stat or tidbit that makes you realize it gets worse, thanks:D.

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7 hours ago, matter2003 said:

You mean the one division leader with the same record as we have?

 

We are a team in transition..the others have been underachieving with young talent for years.

 

I think the point is that they are now not underachieving anymore...with new coaching.

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Guess what they all have, and had before they joined the team?  

 

One of them has....Blake Bortles.

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9 hours ago, BigDingus said:

One thing they had in common while they were here - they all had crap QB's.

Well the idea that they can't win has been debunked. It's often more about the right situation and the right players than anything else.

And as Bills fans, we don't have much patience anymore. We're so sick of losing year after year that we end up shooting ourselves in the foot by firing head coaches & coordinators over & over. We have a new defensive or offensive system every year. We have coaches wasting time cutting all the old regime's players, then spending the draft & Free Agency replacing the holes they created. By then we're still losing, so we fire them & start over.

Just look at this board. We have people already calling to fire Dennison & McDermott.... They try to justify it through some mental gymnastics. One thing's for sure - if we fired them before the end of their first season, we'd be guaranteed to only have the bottom of the barrel of coaches willing to come here. Nobody worth a damn would even step foot in this toxic environment with such a short leash.

That's one of the interesting observations about Saint Doug. He quickly saw that EJ was useless and never going to be a QB. In desperation he got Kyle Orton who actually was a decent option in his offensive scheme. He took so much heat from the fans for benching EJ but ultimately he was right to do it. EJ was useless and continues to be so.  Marrone was a dick but compared to the others at least he figured out what we could work with and was able to get the best out of them.   Mularkey had Bledsoe for one season but the decline was already evident. Losman was garbage and Holcomb was marginal at best. Mularkey overall was a weak coach, didnt work with what he had. wanted to do things his way and didnt adjust that for his players.  Anthony Lin, never had a chance to lead this team so I don't really sweat letting him go.

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13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

One of them has....Blake Bortles.

 

I’d take him over TT. 

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7 hours ago, BILLriant said:

Lynn inherited a franchise quarterback so there's that 

The best thing Lynn did was to hire Whisenhunt and Gus Bradley as his coordinators. Mike McCoy had rivers for a bunch of years and did nothing.

 

Lynn has done a nice job so far, especially by hiring 2 experienced coordinators

36 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

That's one of the interesting observations about Saint Doug. He quickly saw that EJ was useless and never going to be a QB. In desperation he got Kyle Orton who actually was a decent option in his offensive scheme. He took so much heat from the fans for benching EJ but ultimately he was right to do it. EJ was useless and continues to be so.  Marrone was a dick but compared to the others at least he figured out what we could work with and was able to get the best out of them.   Mularkey had Bledsoe for one season but the decline was already evident. Losman was garbage and Holcomb was marginal at best. Mularkey overall was a weak coach, didnt work with what he had. wanted to do things his way and didnt adjust that for his players.  Anthony Lin, never had a chance to lead this team so I don't really sweat letting him go.

I would much rather have Lynn/Whisenhunt/Bradley than Mcd/Dennison/Frazier

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11 hours ago, Foreigner said:

Tennessee and Jacksonville tied for the AFC South lead, and the LA Chargers tied for

the lead in the AFC West  today.

All Coached by former Bills Coaches who either weren't good enough here or had to get

away from this organization. I!m not smart enough to know what that means, maybe

others can tell me. 

 

 

None of them have two games a year against the Patriots and their respective divisions look weak.  

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11 hours ago, Foreigner said:

Tennessee and Jacksonville tied for the AFC South lead, and the LA Chargers tied for

the lead in the AFC West  today.

All Coached by former Bills Coaches who either weren't good enough here or had to get

away from this organization. I!m not smart enough to know what that means, maybe

others can tell me. 

It means that they learned from their stupid mistakes from being first time head coaches in Buffalo, and figured out that they should do things differently in their new jobs.

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11 hours ago, Foreigner said:

Tennessee and Jacksonville tied for the AFC South lead, and the LA Chargers tied for

the lead in the AFC West  today.

All Coached by former Bills Coaches who either weren't good enough here or had to get

away from this organization. I!m not smart enough to know what that means, maybe

others can tell me. 

 

And all three of them are likely on their way to the playoffs, hope Pegula Sports and Entertainment is paying close attention.

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1 minute ago, SaviorPeterman said:

And all three of them are likely on their way to the playoffs, hope Pegula Sports and Entertainment is paying close attention.

 

All three got their franchise quarterback by being the worst (or second worst) team in the NFL at one point.  

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11 hours ago, Foreigner said:

Tennessee and Jacksonville tied for the AFC South lead, and the LA Chargers tied for

the lead in the AFC West  today.

All Coached by former Bills Coaches who either weren't good enough here or had to get

away from this organization. I!m not smart enough to know what that means, maybe

others can tell me. 

Is this post QB related?

I know Bortles is no world beater but the other 2 have QB's now.

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

I’d take him over TT. 

 

I guess.

 

But Marrone didn't have a "franchise QB" in Bortles when he showed up.  Bortles was awful and now has moves up to decent.

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6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I guess.

 

But Marrone didn't have a "franchise QB" in Bortles when he showed up.  Bortles was awful and now has moves up to decent.

 

He kind of fluctuates. Wasn't he pretty good for a while then that business with Chad Henne happened?

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7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I guess.

 

But Marrone didn't have a "franchise QB" in Bortles when he showed up.  Bortles was awful and now has moves up to decent.

 

A lot of this is being lost in Jax this year, sure Marrone has turned around the defense quickly. But he's also salvaged Blake Bortles career and made him look serviceable, if not very good at times, this season.

 

Regardless give St. Doug credit for calling out the Pegula Clownshow right away and wanting no part of this franchise any longer. Fans will continue to bash him for 'quitting' on the Bills but in hindsight he made the right move even if he was forced to be an assistant a few years before getting a HC gig again.

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Lynn inherited a decent team with a franchise QB that's in a bad division where he is lucky to be tied at the top because they early leader imploded in unbelievable fashion and last year's leader regressed. He might be a good HC, but I wouldn't put them as being a division leader because of coaching

 

The Titans and Jags are leading a bad division. The Titans have been off and on this year and there's been rumors that they may not keep MM around. The Jags have been bad and collected a lot of talent and built a great defence. As much as Bills fans don't want to believe it, Marone is a good coach, he has a team that is young and good that's winning because of a great defence and a one dimensional offence.

 

It's funny cause outside of Schwartz and maybe Lynn, the rest of them were being run out of town by the same fans upset they are succeeding elsewhere. Marrone may have quit, but the fans are disappointed more cause they didn't get to see him fired like they wanted. As for Schwartz and Lynn, they weren't huge favorites around here to keep around as HCs, most wanted them to stay as coordinators.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

A lot of this is being lost in Jax this year, sure Marrone has turned around the defense quickly. But he's also salvaged Blake Bortles career and made him look serviceable, if not very good at times, this season.

 

Regardless give St. Doug credit for calling out the Pegula Clownshow right away and wanting no part of this franchise any longer. Fans will continue to bash him for 'quitting' on the Bills but in hindsight he made the right move even if he was forced to be an assistant a few years before getting a HC gig again.

 

The defense was good prior to Marrone becoming HC.

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Who knew Mcvay would of been the right coach to hire. Making Goff look good after how terrible he was last year. Mcvay is calling the audibles in his headset. Sean is getting praise all across the league for his fresh take on offense. In Buffalo we often focus on getting a defensive minded coach that gets an offensive coordinator that focuses on the running game partially because our qb's have sucked since the short time we had Bledsoe. 

 

We need to get a young fresh offensive mind that can mold our rookie QB next year and grow with him and mold him into what we want. I hope from there McDermott can right the ship on defense and go from there. Our old retread coaches and coordinators sans Marrone will all wash out eventually. Even though I thought Lynn has a chance to be decent. 

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13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I guess.

 

But Marrone didn't have a "franchise QB" in Bortles when he showed up.  Bortles was awful and now has moves up to decent.

I don't even know about that, their offence is pretty much run by the RBs. Teams have to protect against the run instead of worrying Bortles may pass it. I think alot of their regular game plans look like the saints when they ran it 20+ times in a row

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