The Jokeman Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Woods is doing more than he was here, Watkins is doing less, and as a tandem they are doing almost exactly the same as they have every year of their careers together. Watkins never played a full season with Tyrod here, and as far as WR tandems go there are many better options. The OL was never set up to be solid in pass blocking, but scheme and Tyrod's escapability masked that. Despite that, we had a top 10 offense 2 years running. That doesn't happen with a QB who isn't good enough to start. Give me a QB who can sling it for 300 yards over a QB who can rush for 100. Sorry I judge a QB in his ability to throw the ball which Tyrod struggles with. I mean it was nice he found a new RB to dump off to in Cadet this weekend but he still can't consistently throw to a spot downfield and let his WR make a play on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, JPP said: come on shady your better than this....we are microscoping the game this past weekend....potato..pot.a.t.o.......sure a fumble brought back for a TD.....but my PTSD regarding this game is the 5 picks....i believe one of them a pick 6 no? Sorry ? i just answered the question Does this mean they cancel each other out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: Sorry ? i just answered the question i know....at this point i really dont care who is QBing.....this team is gonna be mash game in and game out until our coaches figure out the defence and the offensive line.....it boggling to me that it seems they havent done anything but showcase the same garbage the last 3 games........i would bet that if were to play the browns this weekend (no matter who is under centre!) they would have their first win of the season........all i want to hear tomorrow at the presser is that dennison is canned! than i would have a tiny bit of hope renewed.....but fat chance! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: Give me a QB who can sling it for 300 yards over a QB who can rush for 100. Sorry I judge a QB in his ability to throw the ball which Tyrod struggles with. I mean it was nice he found a new RB to dump off to in Cadet this weekend but he still can't consistently throw to a spot downfield and let his WR make a play on the ball. We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Passing yards are a function of attempts. In 2015 he was 24th in attempts, 23rd in yards, 2016 he was 25th and 25th, this year he's 24th and 24th. Maybe when Passing Yards become correlated with winning you'll have a valid point though. For now I'll stick with DVOA, ANY/A, and Scoring Offense. I appreciate you having an appropriate name though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JPP said: i know....at this point i really dont care who is QBing.....this team is gonna be mash game in and game out until our coaches figure out the defence and the offensive line.....it boggling to me that it seems they havent done anything but showcase the same garbage the last 3 games........i would bet that if were to play the browns this weekend (no matter who is under centre!) they would have their first win of the season........all i want to hear tomorrow at the presser is that dennison is canned! than i would have a tiny bit of hope renewed.....but fat chance! I expected Coaching turnover. Heck ya gotta start somewhere right McBeanes? End of season perhaps? But the QB move so early.... Shaky Plenty other areas to resolve Edited November 22, 2017 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Passing yards are a function of attempts. In 2015 he was 24th in attempts, 23rd in yards, 2016 he was 25th and 25th, this year he's 24th and 24th. Maybe when Passing Yards become correlated with winning you'll have a valid point though. For now I'll stick with DVOA, ANY/A, and Scoring Offense. I appreciate you having an appropriate name though. You too since it's obvious you're a Tyrod backer through and through. Have you ever considered part of the reason Tyrod's pass attempts are less because he elects not to throw a ball? I mean he loves the double clutch or his athleticism allows him to run meanwhile guys like Brady, Brees and Manning had to learn to read defenses and beat them with their arms? Again I don't blame Tyrod for being what he is but the fact is because he is a great athlete I don't think he ever developed the skills to be a complete QB when it comes to passing the ball plain and simple. Edited November 22, 2017 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 30 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: This point simply defies logic. He's going to be a starter for a while. He's easily been in the top 15-20 QBs, or higher depending who you talk to, every year with a less than stellar supporting cast. McDermott can try whatever he wants, but all he did Sunday was demonstrate all the deficiencies on O that Tyrod helps mask. I like VT, but you have a serious case of homerism going on here. Top 15-20 QB? Eh...maybe 20. But either way, that doesn't get you in playoffs. (I know, I know, all we need is a great OL, great RBs, top defense, WRs etc., etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 Game losing streak. Tyrod QB for 2. Nate for 1. I believe we have other problems on the team. I believe that Brady would hang them up up if he had to play under the circumstances our QB's play under. Here's hoping ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I expected Coaching turnover. Heck ya gotta start somewhere right McBeanes? End of season perhaps? But the QB move so early.... Shaky Plenty other areas to resolve it will be interesting how this plays out for the rest of the season.......this season is so much a soap opera just without the Rex Ryan banter! I think the bunsin burners under the coaches arse's are gonna start to get real hot if they continue to stink it up like this! A loss is a loss i get it but the teams that beaten us have broken some of their own team records! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 54 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Doesn’t anyone know how to use the search function? why you asking us, look it up yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, KD in CA said: I like VT, but you have a serious case of homerism going on here. Top 15-20 QB? Eh...maybe 20. But either way, that doesn't get you in playoffs. (I know, I know, all we need is a great OL, great RBs, top defense, WRs etc., etc.). It's honestly incredible how silly these takes get. Passer Rating: 2015 - 8th 2016 - 18th 2017 - 14th ANY/A: 2015 - 9th 2016 - 18th 2017 - 21st DVOA: 2015 - 8th 2016 - 19th 2017 - 18th TD%: 2015 - 16th 2016 - 16th 2017 - 20th TD/TO: 2015 - 2nd 2016 - 7th 2017 - T-3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It's honestly incredible how silly these takes get. Passer Rating: 2015 - 8th 2016 - 18th 2017 - 14th ANY/A: 2015 - 9th 2016 - 18th 2017 - 21st DVOA: 2015 - 8th 2016 - 19th 2017 - 18th TD%: 2015 - 16th 2016 - 16th 2017 - 20th TD/TO: 2015 - 2nd 2016 - 7th 2017 - T-3rd More fun with stats TDs passing 2015 -20th 2016 -26th 2017- 24th Passing yards 2015-23rd 2016-25th 2017-24th Sacks % 2015 -32nd 2016 -29th 2017 -32nd 4th Quarter Come backs 2015 -27th 2016 -26th 2017 -18th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: More fun with stats TDs passing 2015 -20th 2016 -26th 2017- 24th Passing yards 2015-23rd 2016-25th 2017-24th Sacks % 2015 -32nd 2016 -29th 2017 -32nd 4th Quarter Come backs 2015 -27th 2016 -26th 2017 -18th His rushing ability and rushing TDs count too. And not turning the ball over. If you think the Bills would have got a 20-18 record since 2015 from any other QB on this roster, you're fooling yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Touché 35 minutes ago, BobDVA said: why you asking us, look it up yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, JM2009 said: His rushing ability and rushing TDs count too. And not turning the ball over. If you think the Bills would have got a 20-18 record since 2015 from any other QB on this roster, you're fooling yourself. His rushing abilities take away from his passing ability and to me a QBs job is to pass the ball first and foremost, again we've seen it time and time again even as good as he's done with his legs when Tyrod has to make a throw to win the game he rarely does it PERIOD. And I won't argue that any other QB on this roster is better than Tyrod now but what I am arguing is Tyrod is a bottom tier NFL starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: His rushing abilities take away from his passing ability and to me a QBs job is to pass the ball first and foremost, again we've seen it time and time again even as good as he's done with his legs when Tyrod has to make a throw to win the game he rarely does it PERIOD. And I won't argue that any other QB on this roster is better than Tyrod now but what I am arguing is Tyrod is a bottom tier NFL starter. He's around 20th or so. You play to the QBs strengths. He has unique abilities. Last two seasons the offense put up a lot of points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmonte35 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I actually like a lot of what I saw of him. The mistakes he made are very fixable. He was accurate and his timing was right. He just has to learn how to protect the ball and when to take a sack. My only issue is I didn't see much zip on the ball. I'd like to see more. We've seen what we have in Taylor. I'm not going to give up on Peterman yet. But the timing of the move and the opponent and the way our Oline is playing really set this kid up for failure. I still think if he's a warrior this will only improve him. And as for Tyrod. This was a warning shot. When the game is on the line winners want the ball and they take risks. This guy takes none. Yippee his turnover ratio is soooo great. Means nothing without W's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jmonte35 said: I actually like a lot of what I saw of him. The mistakes he made are very fixable. He was accurate and his timing was right. He just has to learn how to protect the ball and when to take a sack. My only issue is I didn't see much zip on the ball. I'd like to see more. We've seen what we have in Taylor. I'm not going to give up on Peterman yet. But the timing of the move and the opponent and the way our Oline is playing really set this kid up for failure. I still think if he's a warrior this will only improve him. And as for Tyrod. This was a warning shot. When the game is on the line winners want the ball and they take risks. This guy takes none. Yippee his turnover ratio is soooo great. Means nothing without W's. 20 wins out of 38 games isn't terrible. Esp with an average at best roster. Anyone that likes what they saw Sunday is looking at something else other than this game. Edited November 22, 2017 by JM2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: More fun with stats TDs passing Passing yards Sacks % 4th Quarter Come backs Passer Rating: 2015 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs ANY/A: 2015 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs DVOA: 2015 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs TD%: 2015 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs TD/TO: 2015 - 8 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs ------------------------------------------------------------------ TDs passing 2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs Passing yards 2015 - 3 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs Sacks % 2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs 4th Quarter Come backs 2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs You can draw your own conclusions on which stats actually relate to winning QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Passer Rating: 2015 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs ANY/A: 2015 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs DVOA: 2015 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs TD%: 2015 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs TD/TO: 2015 - 8 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs ------------------------------------------------------------------ TDs passing 2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs Passing yards 2015 - 3 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs Sacks % 2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs 4th Quarter Come backs 2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs 2016 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs You can draw your own conclusions on which stats actually relate to winning QB play. Or trust my eyes when I watch Tyrod every week and see he just have "it". As he's got part of the RJ syndrome that he doesn't want to make mistakes with the football so he'll take a sack or he'll be Trent Edwards like and check it down to the open RB or do a Flutie thing and run around and not find anyone open and run. Not to mention the EJ Manuel thing and not throw to a guy unless he's open. He might be better than each of those QB individually but he still doesn't add up to a QB that's good enough to get you over the hump. As his liabilities with 3 and outs doesn't "flip the field" and doesn't always help the defense either. Edited November 22, 2017 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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