Figster Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Simply getting to the playoffs doesn’t mean you have a franchise QB. Of course not, but it is the next step in my humble opinion Bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Figster said: Of course not, but it is the next step in my humble opinion Bang. Delends on how we get there and how well he actually does once there or me. Edited November 11, 2017 by Bangarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Delends on how we get there and how well he actually does once there or me. The team has for the most part has been rising to the occasion. Taylor deserves some credit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 52 minutes ago, vincec said: Welcome to the modern USA. so it's a modern thing...? First Known Use of obsession 1680 :a persistent abnormally strong interest in or concern about someone or something obsession noun ob·ses·sion \ äb-ˈse-shən , əb- \ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: It's like you're deliberately obtuse. Do you actually watch the games or just look up midseason stats? This defense has carried Taylor all season long(besides NYJ), and he continues to lose football games by being unable to turn crucial drives into touchdowns. Taylor boosting his stats in meaningless sections of games doesn't impress me or put digits in the win column. His trash play during clutch time is what matters most, and he's currently this teams weakest link. With this year's version of Josh McCown this team is undefeated. Here are some real stats that aren't just vanity metrics: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb Riiiiiiiiight. I'm the one being obtuse. I respond to a direct quote from you saying "When taylor has 3rd and 7 I'm already hitting the bathroom to beat the crowds before the punt." with facts. I assume you meant you go to the bathroom on those 3rd and longs because you have no faith Taylor will convert, not because you have severe bladder problems. Is that fair or am I being obtuse? Well, if you're going, you're misleading yourself: Taylor has faced the 2nd most 3rd and longs in the entire NFL at 43. Taylor has converted the 4th most 3rd and longs in the entire NFL at 14. Taylor has the 10th highest 3rd and long conversion % in the entire NFL. I'm sorry if you think I'm being deliberately obtuse. Pretty clear I wasn't, just droppin knowledge on ya bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, Figster said: The team has for the most part has been rising to the occasion. Taylor deserves some credit... ....he'll never be a franchise QB which by definition is as wide as the equator....his on field presence in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line and his club is down by a score will forever be a doubtful question mark which I think is a true measure of a franchise QB......can he be an effective game manager?....yes......can he command enough presence to march this club down the field in the waning moments, instilling Rodgers/Favre/Manning/Elway fears in the opposing defense?....nope.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 43 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: so it's a modern thing...? First Known Use of obsession 1680 :a persistent abnormally strong interest in or concern about someone or something obsession noun ob·ses·sion \ äb-ˈse-shən , əb- \ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsession I’d throw in fanatic as well. fa·nat·ic fəˈnadik/ noun 1. a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause. synonyms: zealot, extremist, militant, dogmatist, devotee, adherent;More adjective 1. filled with or expressing excessive zeal. "his fanatic energy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....he'll never be a franchise QB which by definition is as wide as the equator....his on field presence in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line and his club is down by a score will forever be a doubtful question mark which I think is a true measure of a franchise QB......can he be an effective game manager?....yes......can he command enough presence to march this club down the field in the waning moments, instilling Rodgers/Favre/Manning/Elway fears in the opposing defense?....nope.............. Rodgers isn't a Franchise QB by your definition since, over his career, he's not good leading his team to a W when behind in the 4th Quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 #SP https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm AR has 12 per the link I don’t know where you people get this fictional “fact” that he doesn’t have many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: #SP https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm AR has 12 per the link how anyone can put taylor in the same catagory as rodgers is beyond me. don't get me wrong, taylor is the man under center. I support that for now but also realize he's not in the same caliber as rodgers. honestly, even showing some improvement this season, he's not the long term answer nor should be considered a franchise guy. suffice for now until better comes along but I see his career likely becoming more of a solid back up down the road whether it be for the bills or some other team. franchise, rodgers level? no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 There is an alternate truth that Rodgers # is very low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: #SP https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm AR has 12 per the link I don’t know where you people get this fictional “fact” that he doesn’t have many. And it's also worth mentioning he doesn't have the opportunity very often because he often gets the job done much earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Tyrod Taylor 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 5 Game-Winning Drives Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 1 2015 5 2015-10-11 26-069 BUF @ TEN W 14-13 10 17 58.82 109 1 0 97.4 6.41 7.59 8 76 9.50 1 4QC / GWD 2 2015 12 2015-12-06 26-125 BUF HOU W 30-21 11 21 52.38 211 3 0 127.2 10.05 12.90 7 28 4.00 1 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 3 2016 11 2016-11-27 27-116 BUF JAX W 28-21 12 18 66.67 166 1 0 114.6 9.22 10.33 7 38 5.43 1 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 4 2017 4 2017-10-01 28-059 BUF @ ATL W 23-17 12 20 60.00 182 1 0 106.7 9.10 10.10 7 12 1.71 0 GWD 5 2017 6 2017-10-22 28-080 BUF TAM W 30-27 20 33 60.61 268 1 0 96.5 8.12 8.73 6 53 8.83 0 4QC / GWD Aaron Rodgers 12 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 19 Game-Winning Drives Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 1 2008 2 2008-09-14 24-287 GNB @ DET W 48-25 24 38 63.16 328 3 0 117.0 8.63 10.21 4 25 6.25 0 4QC / GWD 2 2008 16 2008-12-28 25-026 GNB DET W 31-21 21 31 67.74 308 3 0 132.2 9.94 11.87 1 -1 -1.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 3 2009 1 2009-09-13 25-285 GNB CHI W 21-15 17 28 60.71 184 1 0 92.0 6.57 7.29 3 7 2.33 0 4QC / GWD 4 2009 13 2009-12-13 26-011 GNB @ CHI W 21-14 16 24 66.67 180 0 0 88.9 7.50 7.50 3 6 2.00 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 5 2010 16 2011-01-02 27-031 GNB CHI W 10-3 19 28 67.86 229 1 1 89.7 8.18 7.29 7 21 3.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 6 2011 12 2011-12-04 28-002 GNB @ NYG W 38-35 28 46 60.87 369 4 1 106.2 8.02 8.78 4 32 8.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 7 2012 4 2012-09-30 28-303 GNB NOR W 28-27 31 41 75.61 319 4 1 119.9 7.78 8.63 5 13 2.60 0 4QC / GWD 8 2012 10 2012-11-18 28-352 GNB @ DET W 24-20 19 27 70.37 236 2 1 106.4 8.74 8.56 1 3 3.00 0 4QC / GWD 9 2012 13 2012-12-09 29-007 GNB DET W 27-20 14 24 58.33 173 0 0 80.7 7.21 7.21 3 32 10.67 1 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 10 2013 16 2013-12-29 30-027 GNB @ CHI W 33-28 25 39 64.10 318 2 2 85.2 8.15 6.87 1 5 5.00 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 11 2014 6 2014-10-12 30-314 GNB @ MIA W 27-24 24 42 57.14 264 3 0 99.7 6.29 7.71 7 34 4.86 0 4QC / GWD 12 2014 17 2015-01-11 31-040 GNB DAL W 26-21 24 35 68.57 316 3 0 125.4 9.03 10.74 3 -4 -1.33 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 13 2015 2 2015-09-20 31-292 GNB SEA W 27-17 25 33 75.76 249 2 0 116.9 7.55 8.76 6 23 3.83 0 4QC / GWD 14 2015 12 2015-12-03 32-001 GNB @ DET W 27-23 24 36 66.67 273 2 1 96.2 7.58 7.44 4 27 6.75 1 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 15 2016 12 2016-12-04 33-002 GNB HOU W 21-13 20 30 66.67 209 2 0 108.9 6.97 8.30 3 16 5.33 0 GWD 16 2016 14 2016-12-18 33-016 GNB @ CHI W 30-27 19 31 61.29 252 0 0 87.0 8.13 8.13 3 19 6.33 0 GWD 17 2016 18 2017-01-15 33-044 GNB @ DAL W 34-31 28 43 65.12 355 2 1 96.6 8.26 8.14 2 16 8.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 18 2017 3 2017-09-24 33-296 GNB CIN W 27-24 28 42 66.67 313 3 1 102.6 7.45 7.81 4 23 5.75 0 4QC / GWD 19 2017 5 2017-10-08 33-310 GNB @ DAL W 35-31 19 29 65.52 221 3 0 122.9 7.62 9.69 4 32 8.00 0 4QC / GWD they are not in the same class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I like Taylor.....im a supporter of his and really want him to continue his improvement this season (which he has clearly done)...even moreso i believe he can help get us in the post season however i will agree with a couple of posters above there should be no comparision whatsoever with Rodgers.....or even the other elite QB's in the league,,,,JMO.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Tyrod Taylor 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 5 Game-Winning Drives Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 1 2015 5 2015-10-11 26-069 BUF @ TEN W 14-13 10 17 58.82 109 1 0 97.4 6.41 7.59 8 76 9.50 1 4QC / GWD 2 2015 12 2015-12-06 26-125 BUF HOU W 30-21 11 21 52.38 211 3 0 127.2 10.05 12.90 7 28 4.00 1 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 3 2016 11 2016-11-27 27-116 BUF JAX W 28-21 12 18 66.67 166 1 0 114.6 9.22 10.33 7 38 5.43 1 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 4 2017 4 2017-10-01 28-059 BUF @ ATL W 23-17 12 20 60.00 182 1 0 106.7 9.10 10.10 7 12 1.71 0 GWD 5 2017 6 2017-10-22 28-080 BUF TAM W 30-27 20 33 60.61 268 1 0 96.5 8.12 8.73 6 53 8.83 0 4QC / GWD Aaron Rodgers 12 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 19 Game-Winning Drives Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 1 2008 2 2008-09-14 24-287 GNB @ DET W 48-25 24 38 63.16 328 3 0 117.0 8.63 10.21 4 25 6.25 0 4QC / GWD 2 2008 16 2008-12-28 25-026 GNB DET W 31-21 21 31 67.74 308 3 0 132.2 9.94 11.87 1 -1 -1.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 3 2009 1 2009-09-13 25-285 GNB CHI W 21-15 17 28 60.71 184 1 0 92.0 6.57 7.29 3 7 2.33 0 4QC / GWD 4 2009 13 2009-12-13 26-011 GNB @ CHI W 21-14 16 24 66.67 180 0 0 88.9 7.50 7.50 3 6 2.00 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 5 2010 16 2011-01-02 27-031 GNB CHI W 10-3 19 28 67.86 229 1 1 89.7 8.18 7.29 7 21 3.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 6 2011 12 2011-12-04 28-002 GNB @ NYG W 38-35 28 46 60.87 369 4 1 106.2 8.02 8.78 4 32 8.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 7 2012 4 2012-09-30 28-303 GNB NOR W 28-27 31 41 75.61 319 4 1 119.9 7.78 8.63 5 13 2.60 0 4QC / GWD 8 2012 10 2012-11-18 28-352 GNB @ DET W 24-20 19 27 70.37 236 2 1 106.4 8.74 8.56 1 3 3.00 0 4QC / GWD 9 2012 13 2012-12-09 29-007 GNB DET W 27-20 14 24 58.33 173 0 0 80.7 7.21 7.21 3 32 10.67 1 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 10 2013 16 2013-12-29 30-027 GNB @ CHI W 33-28 25 39 64.10 318 2 2 85.2 8.15 6.87 1 5 5.00 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 11 2014 6 2014-10-12 30-314 GNB @ MIA W 27-24 24 42 57.14 264 3 0 99.7 6.29 7.71 7 34 4.86 0 4QC / GWD 12 2014 17 2015-01-11 31-040 GNB DAL W 26-21 24 35 68.57 316 3 0 125.4 9.03 10.74 3 -4 -1.33 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 13 2015 2 2015-09-20 31-292 GNB SEA W 27-17 25 33 75.76 249 2 0 116.9 7.55 8.76 6 23 3.83 0 4QC / GWD 14 2015 12 2015-12-03 32-001 GNB @ DET W 27-23 24 36 66.67 273 2 1 96.2 7.58 7.44 4 27 6.75 1 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 15 2016 12 2016-12-04 33-002 GNB HOU W 21-13 20 30 66.67 209 2 0 108.9 6.97 8.30 3 16 5.33 0 GWD 16 2016 14 2016-12-18 33-016 GNB @ CHI W 30-27 19 31 61.29 252 0 0 87.0 8.13 8.13 3 19 6.33 0 GWD 17 2016 18 2017-01-15 33-044 GNB @ DAL W 34-31 28 43 65.12 355 2 1 96.6 8.26 8.14 2 16 8.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 18 2017 3 2017-09-24 33-296 GNB CIN W 27-24 28 42 66.67 313 3 1 102.6 7.45 7.81 4 23 5.75 0 4QC / GWD 19 2017 5 2017-10-08 33-310 GNB @ DAL W 35-31 19 29 65.52 221 3 0 122.9 7.62 9.69 4 32 8.00 0 4QC / GWD they are not in the same class. Absolutely they are not in the same class but this isn't why. These stats are comparing 10 years 141 games vs 3 years 37 games. Not really a fair comparison. If anything Tyrod had more comebacks and game winning drives percentage per game played than Rodgers did. If you look at Rodgers first 3 years you find that he had 3 fourth quarter combacks and 5 game winning drives just like Tyrod did. If you look at Drew Brees he had 3 fourth quarter comebacks and 7 game winning drives in his first 3 years. These QBs are apples and oranges and Tyrod is not on their level. However, this is a poor way to show it. Edited November 11, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: These QBs are apples and oranges and Tyrod is not on their level. However, this is a poor way to show it. So we can all finally agree. Not a franchise QB. Case closed Edited November 12, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Rodgers isn't a Franchise QB by your definition since, over his career, he's not good leading his team to a W when behind in the 4th Quarter. Yes he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: So we can all finally agree. Not a franchise QB. Case closed Franchise QB is such a fickle term only because people have so many perceptions of this.....its a QB who has been with a team for a very long term and have built around them over years and have won championships or broken records etc.....there are only a few who meet that defination and have earned it......Brady-obviously, rodgers, brees, rivers, ronchiberger......then you have the flaccos, manning (eli) who are still considered franchise QB's especially moreso earlier because of what they accomplished but now are seriously regressing whether it be because of age-accumulated injuries, crappy personale all around them etc etc.....will TT ever become a "franchise QB" really nobody can say difinately now.....who knows.....i for one will just see how this very interesting season goes........ Edited November 12, 2017 by JPP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: So we can all finally agree. Not a franchise QB. Case closed Well no I don't. Thing is people have different definitions for what a franchise QB is. For some people Elite QBs... Brady, Brees, P.Manning types are franchise QBs. For others it may include QBs in the next tier. While I would not say Taylor is a franchise QB right now.. I'm not yet convinced he couldn't be one. FWIW this is how I view it... Elite QBs future HoFamers Franchise QBs Good QBs Average QBs Bad QBs Right now I think Taylor is at the top of average to bottom of good. That's where I would put him right now and I don't care about raw yardage stats. I care about what he does with the football when he is asked to do something with it. Edited November 12, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: #SP https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm AR has 12 per the link I don’t know where you people get this fictional “fact” that he doesn’t have many. 12 in 141 starts (8.5% of all starts) vs 3 in 37 starts (8.1% of all starts). Way to cherry pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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