Matt Ryan: "Bills Mafia is real"

[Seasons1992]

I expect big things in Cincy this week. My buddy and I were amazed at how empty Atlanta looked and how much blue was in there.

[4_kidd_4]

I turned down several bus trips to Cincy, so I know theres gonna be a solid convoy heading down from WNY.

[njbuff]

Are you guys expecting Bills fans to take over Cincinnati?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Are you guys expecting Bills fans to take over Cincinnati?

what is it a 3 to 5 hour drive? Why not.

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

 

Funny I have had no issue finding well paying jobs here...

 

I think that was largely overblown. They are not "forced" to relocate...they want to either because they think they can make more money, better weather whatever. Sadly many find that isn't the case...Making an extra 20K and then paying double the mortgage for a smaller house, much higher food prices and having much worse commutes that eat up gas and an overall higher cost of living are leaving many to realize too late that net income is far more important than gross income...ie, many people would have more money left over in Buffalo than they do elsewhere...which is why a lot of people have been moving back lately...

 

Those jabs and snubs are largely false these days, but some people are still too blind to open their eyes up to reality. Buffalo is on the rise.

Excellent post!

[RoyBatty is alive]

what is it a 3 to 5 hour drive? Why not.

while i appreciate the sentiment 3-5, aint no way you can get to cinci in any 3 hours, more like 5-6 hours

[4_kidd_4]

Excellent post!

Yes indeed.

 

My wife and I both went back to school about 10 years ago in order to stay local.

 

We both ended up in better paying professions.

 

You want it, sometimes you gotta gut up and go get it instead of playing the Buffalo sucks card.

[zonabb]

 

Funny I have had no issue finding well paying jobs here...

 

I think that was largely overblown. They are not "forced" to relocate...they want to either because they think they can make more money, better weather whatever. Sadly many find that isn't the case...Making an extra 20K and then paying double the mortgage for a smaller house, much higher food prices and having much worse commutes that eat up gas and an overall higher cost of living are leaving many to realize too late that net income is far more important than gross income...ie, many people would have more money left over in Buffalo than they do elsewhere...which is why a lot of people have been moving back lately...

 

Those jabs and snubs are largely false these days, but some people are still too blind to open their eyes up to reality. Buffalo is on the rise.

The fact you ended your post with the most commonly perpetuated myth in Buffalo in the last 5 years explains the ignorance of reality that started your post. Try reading anything on the history of Buffalo (Mark Goldman’s work; Power Failure, etc.) and then report back on whether or not the troubles this city and region faced after WWII is overstated. Do you hold the same comment about Detroit? And because you supposedly have fared well here does not make your argument valid, in fact it’s only an indictment of your blindness to reality and other possibilities. Bethlehem Steel once employed over 25,000 well paid workers with middle class wages. Same with the multitude of other steel and metals related industries. This was a blue collar, get your hands dirty community. You graduated in the 50s, 60s, and 70s and generally went to work at 18. Shipping and warehousing were important as well, starting from the city’s inception through the Canal era and rail eras. It supported our place as a dominant manufacturing region. But those jobs have largely disappeared. People who lost jobs didn’t leave for more money, they left for a job, any job. When Bethlehem and Roblin and Hanna Furnace and Republic closed, those thousands of workers didn’t find their skills valuable here anymore. And when Bethlehem laid off literally thousands on one day, there weren’t 1,000 jobs in other steel factories for them to go get. And the region as a whole struggled to transition to a knowledge and advanced services economy. Which is still a problem today. It’s not like when Bethlehem closed in the early 80s, Microsoft was here willing to employ 1,000 steel workers in computer engineering. An economy over-leveraged in making things can’t simply just flip the switch and become a different economy with the existing human capital. You can’t subsidize your way out of it. Or build your way out of it.

 

And if you believe the region or city is on the rise, it surprises me not at all given your predisposition to see this place only through your own eyes only and constructed reality. The region just, JUST, got back to the employment level of 2001. So we’ve risen to what? Back to 2001? Does anyone think things were great in 2001? That’s the resurgence? Population in the city has decreased every year since 1950. Yes. Every. Single. Year. How does that work with the resurgence narrative exactly? Regional population is stagnant since 1970. Median household income in the city is a few hundred dollars less today, when adjusted for inflation, than when Byron Brown started in office. We have one of the highest poverty rates in any large cities. Low paying services as a percentage of the overall economy are higher than the national average, meaning we’re creating low end jobs.

 

But I suspect if you’re doing well and enjoying all the craft beer and hip over-priced eating establishments in the city, you don’t care that those people serving you represent the new jobs in the “new” Buffalo, which is a lot like the old Buffalo.

 

Shame on you for equating the cool places you get to spend your money at as indicative of a resurgence.

 

Shame on you for being historically ignorant and for accusing those who left for being driven by money and good weather rather than actually and truly being forced to leave for a job to put food on the table, clothes on their kids’ backs, and pay the bills. You are truly an ahole.

[4_kidd_4]

Triggered?

[RoyBatty is alive]

The fact you ended your post with the most commonly perpetuated myth in Buffalo in the last 5 years explains the ignorance of reality that started your post. Try reading anything on the history of Buffalo (Mark Goldman’s work; Power Failure, etc.) and then report back on whether or not the troubles this city and region faced after WWII is overstated. Do you hold the same comment about Detroit? And because you supposedly have fared well here does not make your argument valid, in fact it’s only an indictment of your blindness to reality and other possibilities. Bethlehem Steel once employed over 25,000 well paid workers with middle class wages. Same with the multitude of other steel and metals related industries. This was a blue collar, get your hands dirty community. You graduated in the 50s, 60s, and 70s and generally went to work at 18. Shipping and warehousing were important as well, starting from the city’s inception through the Canal era and rail eras. It supported our place as a dominant manufacturing region. But those jobs have largely disappeared. People who lost jobs didn’t leave for more money, they left for a job, any job. When Bethlehem and Roblin and Hanna Furnace and Republic closed, those thousands of workers didn’t find their skills valuable here anymore. And when Bethlehem laid off literally thousands on one day, there weren’t 1,000 jobs in other steel factories for them to go get. And the region as a whole struggled to transition to a knowledge and advanced services economy. Which is still a problem today. It’s not like when Bethlehem closed in the early 80s, Microsoft was here willing to employ 1,000 steel workers in computer engineering. An economy over-leveraged in making things can’t simply just flip the switch and become a different economy with the existing human capital. You can’t subsidize your way out of it. Or build your way out of it.

 

And if you believe the region or city is on the rise, it surprises me not at all given your predisposition to see this place only through your own eyes only and constructed reality. The region just, JUST, got back to the employment level of 2001. So we’ve risen to what? Back to 2001? Does anyone think things were great in 2001? That’s the resurgence? Population in the city has decreased every year since 1950. Yes. Every. Single. Year. How does that work with the resurgence narrative exactly? Regional population is stagnant since 1970. Median household income in the city is a few hundred dollars less today, when adjusted for inflation, than when Byron Brown started in office. We have one of the highest poverty rates in any large cities. Low paying services as a percentage of the overall economy are higher than the national average, meaning we’re creating low end jobs.

 

But I suspect if you’re doing well and enjoying all the craft beer and hip over-priced eating establishments in the city, you don’t care that those people serving you represent the new jobs in the “new” Buffalo, which is a lot like the old Buffalo.

 

Shame on you for equating the cool places you get to spend your money at as indicative of a resurgence.

 

Shame on you for being historically ignorant and for accusing those who left for being driven by money and good weather rather than actually and truly being forced to leave for a job to put food on the table, clothes on their kids’ backs, and pay the bills. You are truly an ahole.

Great post but too bad you ruin it by getting over emotional and telling the other poster "Shame on you" and "You are truly an ahole" because he/she disagrees with your opinion. Who are you, the moral police? If you are jealous he likes craft beers and goes to hip restaurants that is your problem.

Triggered?

LOL, yep, you got it.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

What is the major natural gas company in Buffalo? I might be willing to make a move.

[I'm Spartacus]

But I suspect if you’re doing well and enjoying all the craft beer and hip over-priced eating establishments in the city, you don’t care that those people serving you represent the new jobs in the “new” Buffalo, which is a lot like the old Buffalo.

 

Shame on you for equating the cool places you get to spend your money at as indicative of a resurgence.

 

Shame on you for being historically ignorant and for accusing those who left for being driven by money and good weather rather than actually and truly being forced to leave for a job to put food on the table, clothes on their kids’ backs, and pay the bills. You are truly an ahole.

If you happen to live in Buffalo, please leave - you are a knob.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

In 2013 I flew down for the bills bucs game. It was almost a 50/50 split. It was great. And then EJ embarrassed everyone of us for 3 hours by playing as bad as any qb can play.

[Rockpile233]

In 2013 I flew down for the bills bucs game. It was almost a 50/50 split. It was great. And then EJ embarrassed everyone of us for 3 hours by playing as bad as any qb can play.

I was there too, absolutely horrible. To be fair, as soon as they broke that 80 yard TD run at the beginning of the game I turned to my buddy and said "ohh we are going to get THAT Bills team today." I don't think EJ had even seen the field yet.

[I'm Spartacus]

And what about the Bills then?

 

You're a knob

What about the Bills? My comment on (zonabb) was in his wrist-slapping, scathing, history lesson post - where (matter2003) had to audacity to support Buffalo and it's resurgence as a city on the rise. And as RoyBatty pointed out "Who are you, the moral police? If you are jealous he likes craft beers and goes to hip restaurants that is your problem". So, don't go away mad, just go away.

[Rockpile233]

What about the Bills? My comment on (zonabb) was in his wrist-slapping, scathing, history lesson post - where (matter2003) had to audacity to support Buffalo and it's resurgence as a city on the rise. And as RoyBatty pointed out "Who are you, the moral police? If you are jealous he likes craft beers and goes to hip restaurants that is your problem". So, don't go away mad, just go away.

Despite some statistical inaccuracies, the Buffalo is getting better narrative is superior to the Buffalo still sucks narrative. You're not going to find a lot of supporters considering your delivery.

[Buffalo716]

What about the Bills? My comment on (zonabb) was in his wrist-slapping, scathing, history lesson post - where (matter2003) had to audacity to support Buffalo and it's resurgence as a city on the rise. And as RoyBatty pointed out "Who are you, the moral police? If you are jealous he likes craft beers and goes to hip restaurants that is your problem". So, don't go away mad, just go away.

I live in buffalo

 

And am not a knob...

 

EDIT: whoops sorry man.

 

I think you were being sarcastic and I just missed it

 

I thought you were trashing buffalo

Edited October 3, 2017 by Buffalo716

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

My thing about buffalo and its surrounding areas... When I go to a bar, like everyone feels like the local pub. I can talk to strangers, bartenders, whatever, and everyone's pretty cool.

 

Try that in most other places and people are weirded out.

[PolishDave]

My thing about buffalo and its surrounding areas... When I go to a bar, like everyone feels like the local pub. I can talk to strangers, bartenders, whatever, and everyone's pretty cool.

 

Try that in most other places and people are weirded out.

 

That has not been my experience at all. People all over the country and even the world (with some exceptions I am sure) are very approachable in a setting like that - bars, restaurants, etc.

 

I can't imagine why you think that is unique to this area. It most certainly is not.

 

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As far as the economy around Buffalo goes:

 

Buffalo will be great again economically, if and when there is ever a resurgence in manufacturing around here. Don't hold your breath waiting for it.

[Bad Things]

 

God I hate the term Bills Mafia, but I guess once a name sticks.....

 

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