JM2009 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) One of his few? Huh. This last draft wasn't his.And Whaley overall is a bad drafter. Edited September 19, 2017 by JM2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) This might help your understanding of my point ... http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/defense-film-study-nfl/2017/01/09/2016-contextualizing-sack-production-results/ Where does it say most sacks are cleanups? Thanks. Edited September 19, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 Where does it say most sacks are cleanups? Thanks. Ask mommy to help you if you can't read or grasp the overall context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 #BADOL logic "I can't remember" = never happened That's about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Ask mommy to help you if you can't read or grasp the overall context. I read it. I didn't see it. Can you show me please? The chart posted actually shows most of the quality pass rushers actually had mostly high quality sacks and very few cleanups. In fact, in the chart that ranks the most "low quality" and "clean up" sack leaders, only 3 of the most had more clean up sacks than any other category. Edited September 19, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I don't have the breakdown. They credited Jerry with 2 sacks and 4 hurries. Yeah.......nobody has the breakdown.......because it's not at all obvious which plays he got a pressure on. I mean, it's two plays.......which where they? Like Frazier implied......he's got clear work to do wrt being a reliable pass rusher.......the Panthers OL was in disarray with the pro bowl center and blocking assignment caller a surprising gameday scratch........and Shaq really didn't get into the party other than his vulture sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Yeah.......nobody has the breakdown.......because it's not at all obvious which plays he got a pressure on. I mean, it's two plays.......which where they? Like Frazier implied......he's got clear work to do wrt being a reliable pass rusher.......the Panthers OL was in disarray with the pro bowl center and blocking assignment caller a surprising gameday scratch........and Shaq really didn't get into the party other than his vulture sack. Umm...if nobody has the breakdown, how exactly was he credited with them? Do they just magically credit different players with random stats? This line of thought deserves to be on "C'mon Man"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 That's about right. For chrissake, let it go Gregg. Umm...if nobody has the breakdown, how exactly was he credited with them? Do they just magically credit different players with random stats? This line of thought deserves to be on "C'mon Man"! Let me quote you here: "You've made it well known...repeatedly, that he's a bum..." At that point you ceased to have any objectivity in this discussion..........as I've never said anything like that. There is a WHOLE LOTTA' area between being a bum and not being a star pass rusher. Gunner and I have had lengthy discussion on Shaq's play and he is one of Shaq's biggest proponents.........what I am saying is that after watching the game a couple times I don't see the plays where he "pressured" Cam Newton........and apparently he didn't see them either. It's not like he had 6-8 pressures........it's just two........which plays were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 For chrissake, let it go Gregg. Let me quote you here: "You've made it well known...repeatedly, that he's a bum..." At that point you ceased to have any objectivity in this discussion..........as I've never said anything like that. There is a WHOLE LOTTA' area between being a bum and not being a star pass rusher. Gunner and I have had lengthy discussion on Shaq's play and he is one of Shaq's biggest proponents.........what I am saying is that after watching the game a couple times I don't see the plays where he "pressured" Cam Newton........and apparently he didn't see them either. It's not like he had 6-8 pressures........it's just two........which plays were they? Sorry to paraphrase. But, you Have said that he is not worth that high of a pick. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Meanwhile, Chris Jones looks like the player the Bills should've drafted at 19 (or traded up for instead of Ragland - imagine having both Shaq and Jones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Meanwhile, Chris Jones looks like the player the Bills should've drafted at 19 (or traded up for instead of Ragland - imagine having both Shaq and Jones). This happens every draft..... If Rex WAS still here Ragland would be a huge part of our D. At the time it really was not a bad pick. The problem is Rex was on very very thin ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 This happens every draft..... If Rex WAS still here Ragland would be a huge part of our D. At the time it really was not a bad pick. The problem is Rex was on very very thin ice. How can you be so sure? If Ragland never plays for the Chiefs, he could just be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Meanwhile, Chris Jones looks like the player the Bills should've drafted at 19 (or traded up for instead of Ragland - imagine having both Shaq and Jones). I remember one poster saying he should have been our pick that year. The same poster said we should have taken TJ Watt this year. Maybe this whole drafting thing isn't as hard as the experts make it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I remember one poster saying he should have been our pick that year. The same poster said we should have taken TJ Watt this year. Maybe this whole drafting thing isn't as hard as the experts make it out to be. It's definitely difficult. Which makes it even more mind blowing that some GM's continue to ignore the rare set of numbers that leads to highly productive careers for the overwhelming majority of players that post them. I believe the poster you are talking about is Jrober. He has good contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Meanwhile, Chris Jones looks like the player the Bills should've drafted at 19 (or traded up for instead of Ragland - imagine having both Shaq and Jones). If only I could remember which intelligent, good-looking poster on this board called Jones the 2016 draft's best down lineman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 For chrissake, let it go Gregg. What he said was true. I agreed. Toughen up, Badnuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schick Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 How can you be so sure? If Ragland never plays for the Chiefs, he could just be a bust. Gotta take the ACL injury into account here. That's a tough one to hang on anybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 If only I could remember which intelligent, good-looking poster on this board called Jones the 2016 draft's best down lineman... He's a beast. He single-handedly wrecked the Eagles' offense last week on a mere 44 snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 He's a beast. He single-handedly wrecked the Eagles' offense last week on a mere 44 snaps. Sure did...about what I expected from a motivated Chris Jones. If I couldn't have Myles Jack at 19, Chris Jones was my guy. I know the numbers didn't show it last week, but Jack was everywhere against both Houston and Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 If only I could remember which intelligent, good-looking poster on this board called Jones the 2016 draft's best down lineman... It doesn't matter what you wear you will never qualify as good looking. https://www.google.com/search?q=alfred+e+neuman+images&rlz=1C1SFXN_enUS498US610&oq=Alfred+E+Neuman&aqs=chrome.5.69i57j0l5.17803j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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