Agent 91 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I dont really put all the bat downs on quarterbacks. on 2 or 3 of them. the line didnt even touch the ends. they got a free jump and wee never knocked off balance. on 2 of them a 6'7"quarterback would have had the same result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Batted balls are an OL problem - happened to all 3 QBs - it's not on them. Notice it only happened on the right side. If you watch the replays, the OL were too far off from the DL which let them jump - they are supposed to be there to nail them in the gut when they jump like that, but they are getting burned so badly in pass pro they are backing up too far trying to keep the rusher in front of them. That's the scheme and design of the offense. Gone are the days of blowing guys off the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I don't know if the QB needs to be 6'4 or taller. I think the O-line needs to stay on blocks better. I think the O-line needs to stop getting pushed back. I think the main issue this pre-season in not our QB's. They have struggled at times, true, but a lot of the issues are due to the O-line getting pushed around. Even when Shady got off in Philly it was because of his own doing. I don't know what the hell is going on up front, but that should be an area of emphasis in FA and draft next year. On a side note, Gaines looks real good; athletic and aware. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 6'2" or 6'4". That is not a huge difference. How about the line holding their blocks for 3-4 seconds instead of 2 or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Sucks that it seems like our oline went from being a strength on this team to a weakness with basically the same players Dumb arrogant people try to force square pegs into round holes. Dennison appears to be the offensive version of Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Here is how I see it. P1: QB. We need to get a QB no matter how the season turns out. P2: OT. You could flip this with OG as well. Dawkins is only a rookie, so it would be unfair to expect miracles. Cordy Glenn's foot issue is concerning. P3: OG. Incognito is getting older, and I'm frightened that Ducasse appears to be getting a lot of opportunities. You could make this a P2. P4: WR. If they don't keep Matthews, then this could be a P2 issue. Getting a top notch WR would be great, but the O-Line issues are more of a priority. P5: LB. The Linebackers look pretty good so far. Still could use some upgrading. P6: TE. This might seem more of a luxury for the Bills. We have bigger needs on offense. Even if Clay doesn't become that big for us, O'Leary has been stepping up. P7: DT. This is for depth, we're solid at this and at DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 6'2" or 6'4". That is not a huge difference. How about the line holding their blocks for 3-4 seconds instead of 2 or less. Brees-6'0" Tarkenton-6'0" Bart Starr-6'1" Favre-6'2" VanBrocklin-6'1" Kapp-6'2" Kurt Warner-6'2" Len Dawson-6'0" Joe Ferguson-6'1" ....these guys all made a pretty good QB living at it with some pretty impressive stats...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 That's the scheme and design of the offense. Gone are the days of blowing guys off the line. I do miss Roman' s offense, to bad he used that double relay play calling. The plays getting in late was his downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I do miss Roman' s offense, to bad he used that double relay play calling. The plays getting in late was his downfall.Yeah and I'm not sure that he was a great playcaller to begin with. The design of his offense though was a good fit for our talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Yeah and I'm not sure that he was a great playcaller to begin with. The design of his offense though was a good fit for our talent. ...he absolutely loathed the Cassel trade internally at OBD....so we'll never know if he was enamored about working with TT....or....if his reluctance played into his firing by Train Wrecks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 That's the scheme and design of the offense. Gone are the days of blowing guys off the line. No its not, On three step drops the OL has to engage not catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 No its not, On three step drops the OL has to engage not catchOf course, but that's not what's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I've been stumping for Taylor, but jeez, AN looks like a mess. I don't see how it's not the biggest need in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I've been stumping for Taylor, but jeez, AN looks like a mess. I don't see how it's not the biggest need in the offseason. What's AN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I think WR will be a major hole to fill next offseason. I'd put it right behind QB, RT and OG. Matthews is a FA. The rest of the guys are just another guy. Zay needs a couple solid guys to run with. I'd go Qb- it's obvious. Nothing else to say OL- Dawkins may work out but may best be used as a swing tackle if we can add a better RT. Need a replacement for Ritchie and maybe Miller. Wood and groy should be fine for the center spot the next couple years. Our depth sucks with this unit big time. OL- see above WR- we have Zay and no one else. We need to add at least 2 new WRs next year through the draft/FA LB- this should be up higher on the list......but it isn't because our other needs are more crucial. Brown is a meh soon to be FA. Ragland is looking like a wasted pick. Lorax is my favorite but OT much left in the tank. DT- another big need. Kyle can't play forever. TE- clay may be gone. O'Leary looks decent but I don't think ready to be a starter. Better fit as a #2 TE Cb- Gaines is a free agent and the rest of the guys are like our WR depth. Meh. Rb- how much longer can McCoy play? Jwill is alright. Not a fan of him as a #1 DE and safety seem to be in good hands at the moment. That's about it. Get to work Misters McBeane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) Week 1 schedule - draft eligible names to watch per a combination of cfb top 150 players, and mock drafts. This is Big 10 games only, and their opponents. Star notes my own endorsement player as NFL prospect. No star means I either don't endorse , haven't watched closely enough, or they haven't played enough yet for evaluation. 8/31 OSU at IU 8pm ESPN (MegaCast on all ESPN channels - coach's version would be a good one if interested in any of these players) IU - Tegray Scales LB* Simmie Cobbs, Jr. WR* OSU - Mike Weber, Jr. RB* Sam Hubbard DE/OLB* JT Barrett, QB Denzel Ward, CB* Jerome Baker, LB* Billy Price, C* Tyquan Lewis, DE* Dre'Mont Jones, DT* Jamarco Jones, OT* Parris Campbell, WR Damon Webb, S 9/1 Utah St at Wisconsin 9pm ESPN Wisc - Troy Fumigalli, TE* 9/2 Wyoming @ Iowa 12pm BTN Wyoming-Josh Allen, QB Iowa- Josey Jewell, LB* BGSU @ MSU 12pm ESPNU MSU- Brian Allen, C LJ Scott, RB* Akron @ PSU 12pm ABC PSU- Mike Gesicki, TE* Deebo Samuel, WR DaeSean Hamilton, WR Marcus Allen, S Saquan Barkley, RB* Trace McSorley, QB Michigan @ Florida 3:30pm ABC Michigan- Maurice Hurst, DT* Wilton Speight, QB* Florida - Martez Ivey, G Duke Dawson, CB Edited August 29, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) I realize that everyone on offense looks bad and probably need to be replaced to fit the new scheme, but I don't think you're giving enough priority to the DL. K Williams will probably retire after this season, Dareus will likely be gone the season after that when his contract makes it possible and Lawson hasn't looked like anything special so far. I think they need at DT/DE in the top 3. Edited August 30, 2017 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I'm submitting Positional Needs for next week's mock draft on DraftTek. Here's what I have. The P1 would likely come in RD1; you can only have one P1 per team. The P2's would be drafted in best-player-available order in RD 1-3. The DraftTek computer won't consummate trades, and won't over-reach for a player. QB--- up to P1---Batted balls alone make me think QB must be 6'4" (Josh Allen, Mason Rudolph). OT--- up to P2---Mills' opponent blocked 3 balls. Dawkins would take his place, but Cordy seems vulnerable to injury. OG--- up to P3---Incognito is age 34 and has had 2-3 penalties in preseason. Can we stop thinking Ducasse is an option? Is he a ploy to light a fire under Miller's butt? OC--- down to P4---Wood signed for 2 more years, Groy his successor, could be one of the Guards going forward which opens up hole at OC. TE--- up to P2. Clay targeted 7 times by Bills QBs, caught 4 of them for 47 yds. Clay isn't who we thought he was (530 yards per year and 7 TDs as a Bill) as the NFL's seventh highest paid TE), and O'Leary has more yardage. WR--- up to P2. Although Reilly outshone Shorts, he cost the Bills the game at the end. We know our starters; it's the 4-5 behind those three that need fortification. RB---holds at P6. McCoy just needs better blocking, Jon Williams, and Tolbert (first down on 3rd and 1 play and team's only TD), plus either Taiwan or Banyard. We're set. DT--- dn to P6. Impressed with Worthy, Marquavius Lewis, and Deandre Coleman at DT. Even Adolphus (who filled in for Dareus). If Dareus is traded (haven't heard anything), this goes to P2. DE--- dn to P4. Hughes and Shaq will be a terror, especially with level of play Shaq and DTs provide. Yarbrough continues to terrorize QBs. Even Seau and Ryan Davis showed up. LB--- remains P2. Preston Brown looked great (7 total tackles) but Vallejo's injury, erratic play from Milano, lack of sideline to sideline speed indicate an earlier pick than RD5. CB--- remains P4. Very sound play from White and fast learner EJ Gaines, plus Shareece Wright, plus the scheme, make this less of a need. S ---remains P2. Hyde's great. Poyer's above average. Likely need Anderson, Rambo, or Gary to distinguish themselves before the cut to 53, or we'll be taking someone else's cut. ---Please give me your thoughts. --Astro. Have you really seen Mason Rudolph play? He isn't that good. Week 1 schedule - draft eligible names to watch per a combination of cfb top 150 players, and mock drafts. This is Big 10 games only, and their opponents. Star notes my own endorsement player as NFL prospect. No star means I either don't endorse , haven't watched closely enough, or they haven't played enough yet for evaluation. 8/31 OSU at IU 8pm ESPN (MegaCast on all ESPN channels - coach's version would be a good one if interested in any of these players) IU - Tegray Scales LB* Simmie Cobbs, Jr. WR* OSU - Mike Weber, Jr. RB* Sam Hubbard DE/OLB* JT Barrett, QB Denzel Ward, CB* Jerome Baker, LB* Billy Price, C* Tyquan Lewis, DE* Dre'Mont Jones, DT* Jamarco Jones, OT* Parris Campbell, WR Damon Webb, S 9/1 Utah St at Wisconsin 9pm ESPN Wisc - Troy Fumigalli, TE* 9/2 Wyoming @ Iowa 12pm BTN Wyoming-Josh Allen, QB Iowa- Josey Jewell, LB* BGSU @ MSU 12pm ESPNU MSU- Brian Allen, C LJ Scott, RB* Akron @ PSU 12pm ABC PSU- Mike Gesicki, TE* Deebo Samuel, WR DaeSean Hamilton, WR Marcus Allen, S Saquan Barkley, RB* Trace McSorley, QB Michigan @ Florida 3:30pm ABC Michigan- Maurice Hurst, DT* Wilton Speight, QB* Florida - Martez Ivey, G Duke Dawson, CB Yes but 9/9... There can be only one... Baker Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Have you really seen Mason Rudolph play? He isn't that good. Yes but 9/9... There can be only one... Baker Mayfield one week at a time grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 ....need to bring back "Mouse".....he was the master OL tinkerer.............. He never should have moved Peters to OT. Would have been a HOF TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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