TheFunPolice Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) The Colts are exactly the same team they have always been: a soft shallow team built totally around a QB with mediocre (at best) coaching and a drunken meddling owner. Edited August 31, 2017 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 This is the type of answer folks, when one cannot argue successfully and has been proven wrong. No TT supporter has said he is the long term answer. None. I guess I'll console myself by saying we could have won the AFC South in 2015. That makes it all better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) I guess I'll console myself by saying we could have won the AFC South in 2015. That makes it all better. Bills were 3-0 against them with TT at QB. Yes, we could have won it, despite the sarcasm. Luck doesn't have to play Brady and NE twice a year. 8-9 wins can win that division. With NE, it's out of reach. Now this season we will see what Indy does because the Titans look like a solid team. The Bills talent wise are far below that 2015 team. Edited August 31, 2017 by JM2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Bills were 3-0 against them with TT at QB. Yes, we could have won it, despite the sarcasm. Luck doesn't have to play Brady and NE twice a year. 8-9 wins can win that division. With NE, it's out of reach. Now this season we will see what Indy does because the Titans look like a solid team. The Bills talent wise are far below that 2015 team. #QBWINZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 #QBWINZ Wins are a team stat. And Luck has been a starter since 2012. TT since 2015. And once again. no one is saying that Luck is not better, or that TT is the long term answer. But everything has to be put into perspective for comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Hows that tank workin out of indy :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Hows that tank workin out of indy :lol: Pretty well considering they transitioned from peyton manning to andrew luck. It achieved the goal. it's everything theyve done SINCE that's been hot garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 No one with any degree of sense or football knowledge would say Luck and Taylor have equivalent skill sets. Anyone with any sense would take Luck over Taylor in a heartbeat. But it is also true that you have to have a team around you to succeed as a QB. The idea that a QB can somehow put a team on his shoulders and win on his own is thrown around a lot. It is a way overblown concept. Brady may be the only one I've seen in 57 years of watching football who can. Elway needed Davis and a running game to win a SB. Marino never did because of no running game. The D on Kelly's SB teams wasn't good enough. Montana had Rice and a really good O line. And so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Pretty well considering they transitioned from peyton manning to andrew luck. It achieved the goal. it's everything theyve done SINCE that's been hot garbage. Everything theyve done since is part of the tank cuz its all relative. Indy is the perfect example of a QB doesnt build a team. You need to build a team AROUND a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 The Bills could have won that division in 2015. This is the type of answer folks, when one cannot argue successfully and has been proven wrong. No TT supporter has said he is the long term answer. None. The Patriots could've won that division in 2001. Who cares? Honestly? Everything theyve done since is part of the tank cuz its all relative. Indy is the perfect example of a QB doesnt build a team. You need to build a team AROUND a QB. I would rather be the Colts than the Bills since 2012. Indubitably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 The Patriots could've won that division in 2001. Who cares? Honestly? I would rather be the Colts than the Bills since 2012. Indubitably. Weak deflection attempt. No team would want to be in the AFC East with NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 The Patriots could've won that division in 2001. Who cares? Honestly? I would rather be the in Colts division than the Bills since 2012. Indubitably. Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Weak deflection attempt. No team would want to be in the AFC East with NE. Nice point! It's very relevant to the topic of Andrew Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 The Bills would have won the AFCS exactly zero times since 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 The Bills would have won the AFCS exactly zero times since 2012. They went 3-1 against the AFCS in 2015. If TT plays in that jackonville game, probably 4-0. 2015 they very much could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwell Tarly Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Luck along with Brees and Rivers are perfect examples of why the whole "just need a QB" crowd are dead wrong. You need a complete team and a solid coaching staff along with good fortune or cheating to get ahead in this league. You do need more than just a quarterback, but you do need the quarterback. With one, along with good coaching and a good team, you're in the hunt pretty much every year. Without one, you need an elite defense to succeed, and its usually not as sustainable. Below average qb and average talent, your on the 5 to 8 win treadmill until you fix the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) You do need more than just a quarterback, but you do need the quarterback. With one, along with good coaching and a good team, you're in the hunt pretty much every year. Without one, you need an elite defense to succeed, and its usually not as sustainable. Below average qb and average talent, your on the 5 to 8 win treadmill until you fix the problem. Except Brees, Rivers, and Luck are not routinely in the hunt every year. Brees, the most prolific passer in the NFL since going to the Saints, hasn't made the playoffs or even had a winning record in 5 years. Rivers too. Luck hasn't done anything since his division has improved. Luck, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford...5 of the 10 highest paid people in the NFL, and routinely all considered in the top 3 to 10 in the league have 3 playoff appearances combined between them in the last 3 seasons out of 15 opportunities. And Stafford owns 2 of those playoff births who is probably the lesser regarded in that bunch of 5 QB's by most people. People talk about Cam Newton too...yet only 2 winning seasons in 6 years. Edited August 31, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Except Brees, Rivers, and Luck are not routinely in the hunt every year. Brees, the most prolific passer in the NFL since going to the Saints, hasn't made the playoffs or even had a winning record in 5 years. Rivers too. Luck hasn't done anything since his division has improved. Luck, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford...5 of the 10 highest people in the NFL have 3 playoff appearances combined between them in the last 3 seasons out of 15 opportunities. And Stafford owns 2 of those playoff births who is probably the lesser regarded in that bunch of 5 QB's by most people. People talk about Cam Newton too...yet only 2 winning seasons in 6 years. And then there's the Bills, who without an elite QB, have made the playoffs 0 times in an unprecedented 17 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) And then there's the Bills, who without an elite QB, have made the playoffs 0 times in an unprecedented 17 years. Except had the defense not allowed over 26 points per game in 15 of its 16 games last year, then our offense led by TT, 3rd in TDs only behind ATL and NO, would have been one of the highest scoring offenses in the entire playoffs last year. So theres that too. TT is categorically not the main reason we missed the playoffs last year, it was SUBSTANTIALLY on the defense which was one of the worst in the NFL, and all the injuries didn't help our efforts on both sides of the ball either. Just like in 2014 when the defense was very good and the offense was absolutely pathetic. We had a good enough D to be in the playoffs had the offense not completely killed the teams chances. Edited August 31, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 And then there's the Bills, who without an elite QB, have made the playoffs 0 times in an unprecedented 17 years. So what? The Colts only made the playoffs three times in a row once as division winners and got to the AFC Championship game. That's just kids play for Bills fans. Same with Newton. All he did was get to a Super Bowl. He didn't WIN it, and that proves Tyrod Taylor is the answer at quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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