BillsFanForever19 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) @mikerodak: The Rams have agreed to extend Bills restricted FA center Ryan Groy a two-year offer sheet, per @caplannfl & me. Bills have 5 days to match @mikerodak: Ryan Groy would reunite with Aaron Kromer with Rams and likely start at center. Expect $$ from Rams offer to match that situation. Sounds like they'll have to choose between him or Eric Wood. And i'm sure they'll keep Wood. But it's definitely worth a discussion. It's probably too steep to keep them both if the Rams offer is starting Center money. Edited March 14, 2017 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think they knew this was coming. They signed Ducasse to be a backup guard last week. They must be okay with Patrick Lewis as a backup center. Sucks to lose Groy, he filled in well last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Oh boy, not good. Groy filled in admirably while Wood was out. Hopefully the Bills find a way to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Should have tendered Groy for 800K more. I thought Groy played great last year and offers flexibility to play C or G. With Eric Wood going on 31 years of age and off major surgery, it would have been smart to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Should have tendered Groy for 800K more. I thought Groy played great last year and offers flexibility to play C or G. With Eric Wood going on 31 years of age and off major surgery, it would have been smart to keep him. Another one of those where it's not likely making or breaking your season but like hogan the higher tender just makes sense to avoid playing this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 if we dont match do we get a draft pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 if we dont match do we get a draft pick? Nope. If someone signs Touchdown Mike - we get a 5th. But nothing for Groy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Another one of those where it's not likely making or breaking your season but like hogan the higher tender just makes sense to avoid playing this game Like Hogan no draft pick compensation as well. Mark my words, a team is coming Gillislee soon with a front loaded deal. At least we will get a 5th rounder on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Groy played well because teams didn't send pressure up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) We have cap room to match a contract for groy or gillislee. No ones even signed Peterson yet... and gillislee is getting a deal we can't afford?? Edited March 14, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Add him and cut wood Wood looks like he has about 2-3 years left. Especially with those injuries. Edited March 14, 2017 by GETTOTHE50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 We have cap room to match a contract for groy or gillislee. No ones even signed Peterson yet... and gillislee is getting a deal we can't afford?? If Whaley was going to match any offers, he simply should have tendered Groy and Gillislee for 800K more for the 2nd Round tender. I can almost guarantee that Groy will make more than that as well as any future offer to Gilislee. Slap the 2nd Round tender keep the other teams away and use the leverage to get a long term deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 If it was about money why not cut Lewis and give Groy That extra 800k. I don't understand the thought process behind this blunder. At least with Mike G there's a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Let it play out. Whaley got rid of Fred when he was done. He may do the same with Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I feel like it would have been easier to put the second round tender on groy and then not bother with Ducasse, but let's see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 If Whaley was going to match any offers, he simply should have tendered Groy and Gillislee for 800K more for the 2nd Round tender. I can almost guarantee that Groy will make more than that as well as any future offer to Gilislee. Slap the 2nd Round tender keep the other teams away and use the leverage to get a long term deal done. That kind of pisses me off, if that's really all it would have cost to put the 2nd round tender on Groy, that Whaley didn't just give him an extra $800k. They had to know Groy would draw interest. I think he would have been (and hopefully still will be) a great backup to have around this season. I get trying to save money, but we're talking $800k in extra cap space to guarantee you have some excellent offensive line depth. Seems well worth it to me, especially with Wood coming of injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I'm also surprised by the low tender and I would hate to lose Groy. But I don't know that it's an obvious "blunder." Whaley and McDermott might not think as highly of Groy as those of us questioning the tender. I doubt they evaluated his play last year and said, "We like this guy a lot and see him as a key backup and maybe a future starter at center." If they saw him that way and then lowballed him, they're stupid. But they might have evaluated him and thought, "Meh." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Should have tendered Groy for 800K more. I thought Groy played great last year and offers flexibility to play C or G. With Eric Wood going on 31 years of age and off major surgery, it would have been smart to keep him. Agree. I'm also surprised by the low tender and I would hate to lose Groy. But I don't know that it's an obvious "blunder." Whaley and McDermott might not think as highly of Groy as those of us questioning the tender. I doubt they evaluated his play last year and said, "We like this guy a lot and see him as a key backup and maybe a future starter at center." If they saw him that way and then lowballed him, they're stupid. But they might have evaluated him and thought, "Meh." Thats probably what happened. Right down to the 'meh' Its a shame I thought he did great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 800k more for a second round tender on this guy. It just baffles me that a NFL Gm would not use this to their advantage. Am I missing something? 800k more for a guy that provide solid depth on the interior offensive line. Same thing with Mike Gillislee this year and hogan last year. It makes no sense to not tender guys with that kind of value to a 2nd Rd pick for that price. If we can see it why can the front office not? Edited March 14, 2017 by BuffaloSol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 800k more for a second round tender on this guy. It just baffles me that a NFL Gm would not use this to their advantage. Am I missing something? 800k more for a guy that provide solid depth on the interior offensive line. Same thing with Mike Gillislee this year and hogan last year. It makes no sense to not tender guys with that kind of value to a 2nd Rd pick for that price. If we can see it why can the front office not? It is far more complicated than you make it sound. A GM has a certain budget allotted for every position or position group. If you tender Groy at that higher level, you have to pay him that extra amount of money. YOU may look at it and say "What's 800k?"...but again, when you have to manage the cap for an entire football team and sign as many guys as the Bills still need to sign....you can't just look at $800k as peanuts and act like it's no big deal to offer a player the extra cash. If GMing were as easy as you make it sound, there'd be a lot more quality GMs in the NFL than there are. You know what happens if you give a bunch of backups high tenders? You wind up overpaying for a bunch of backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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