Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Russia wanted Trump to win, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Foreign powers (not just Russia) always try to influence the elections of other countries, for a multitude of reasons. What happened in 2016 was nothing new. Maybe they believe one candidate's views are better for their own interests. Maybe they find one candidate easier to negotiate with. Assuming you are correct that Russia "wanted Trump as President" - there could be multiple reasons. Maybe they figured his political inexperience would benefit them. Maybe they knew his election would divide our country. Maybe there was bad-blood between Putin and Clinton from her time as Secretary of State. In the end, does it really matter? According to every investigation that went into Russian interference, there were no votes changed, no votes added and no votes subtracted. There were no intrusions into polling places. There was nothing done by Russia that stopped American citizens from going to the voting booth, picking the candidate of their choice, and that selection being properly counted. When you break it down, all of this ridiculous uproar is about Facebook ads. Some Russian hackers got into the computer server for the Democratic National Committee, distributed that information to Wikileaks and then put the dirt they found on Hillary Clinton onto Social Media. Now obviously hacking is a crime. But Mueller's report states that attempts were also made to hack the Republic National Committee. And the only part that actually "helped" Trump was the distribution of the DNC information, which is really no different than what every journalistic outlet does on a daily basis. Whether CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews or Facebook is putting it out, every American has the ability to decipher on their own what information is true/false and how it influences their vote. By the way, the same time Russia was supposedly "helping Trump" by campaigning on Facebook - the American National Media was eagerly reporting details from the infamous Trump Dossier to the public. And we now know this Dossier was compiled using (wait for it)... Russian intelligence. Was this not an example of Russia helping Hillary Clinton, by distributing dirt on her opponent? The only difference between the two situations is that: a) What the Russians stole and distributed from the DNC server was true, and b) Clinton's campaign was actually involved in the Dossier. Nice answer to PPP's resident idiot. Don't be so sure on the Russian hacking part though. At the speed that the information was downloaded it is highly unlikely that it was done in any way other than a direct connection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 58 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No no no. Putin/Trump. Then we can have Trump/Putin 2024 then Putin/Trump 2028. Glorious. Why change now, right? You guys are fifth columnists. 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Nice answer to PPP's resident idiot. Don't be so sure on the Russian hacking part though. At the speed that the information was downloaded it is highly unlikely that it was done in any way other than a direct connection. You piece of garbage! You are the dumbest sob on this board. 35 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Foreign powers (not just Russia) always try to influence the elections of other countries, for a multitude of reasons. What happened in 2016 was nothing new. Maybe they believe one candidate's views are better for their own interests. Maybe they find one candidate easier to negotiate with. Assuming you are correct that Russia "wanted Trump as President" - there could be multiple reasons. Maybe they figured his political inexperience would benefit them. Maybe they knew his election would divide our country. Maybe there was bad-blood between Putin and Clinton from her time as Secretary of State. In the end, does it really matter? According to every investigation that went into Russian interference, there were no votes changed, no votes added and no votes subtracted. There were no intrusions into polling places. There was nothing done by Russia that stopped American citizens from going to the voting booth, picking the candidate of their choice, and that selection being properly counted. When you break it down, all of this ridiculous uproar is about Facebook ads. Some Russian hackers got into the computer server for the Democratic National Committee, distributed that information to Wikileaks and then put the dirt they found on Hillary Clinton onto Social Media. Now obviously hacking is a crime. But Mueller's report states that attempts were also made to hack the Republic National Committee. And the only part that actually "helped" Trump was the distribution of the DNC information, which is really no different than what every journalistic outlet does on a daily basis. Whether CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews or Facebook is putting it out, every American has the ability to decipher on their own what information is true/false and how it influences their vote. By the way, the same time Russia was supposedly "helping Trump" by campaigning on Facebook - the American National Media was eagerly reporting details from the infamous Trump Dossier to the public. And we now know this Dossier was compiled using (wait for it)... Russian intelligence. Was this not an example of Russia helping Hillary Clinton, by distributing dirt on her opponent? The only difference between the two situations is that: a) What the Russians stole and distributed from the DNC server was true, and b) Clinton's campaign was actually involved in the Dossier. You are spreading misinformation, Mueller states that no such attempt was made against Trump. The effort was all one sides, to hurt Hillary and help Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are spreading misinformation, Mueller states that no such attempt was made against Trump. The effort was all one sides, to hurt Hillary and help Trump https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=0&referer= This is from the New York Times, right after the 2016 election. Intelligence officials say both the DNC and RNC were hacked, but they only released what they obtained from the Democrat side. You can cover your ears and call it "misinformation" - but this is from a liberal-leaning publication. If Russia was looking to hack both sides, it's quite possible their goal was not explicitly to help get Trump elected. It's just as possible the plan was to cause chaos/discourse during the election, and in the end, they were only able to obtain damaging information on the Democratic candidate. Either way, (as I stated in my previous post) what the Russians wanted to do is irrelevant. They had no affect on changing, adding or subtracting American votes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, mjt328 said: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=0&referer= This is from the New York Times, right after the 2016 election. Intelligence officials say both the DNC and RNC were hacked, but they only released what they obtained from the Democrat side. You can cover your ears and call it "misinformation" - but this is from a liberal-leaning publication. If Russia was looking to hack both sides, it's quite possible their goal was not explicitly to help get Trump elected. It's just as possible the plan was to cause chaos/discourse during the election, and in the end, they were only able to obtain damaging information on the Democratic candidate. Either way, (as I stated in my previous post) what the Russians wanted to do is irrelevant. They had no affect on changing, adding or subtracting American votes. So they actively supported Trump, like your article sys. More likely they hacked other Republicans to help Trump in the primaries, Marco Rubio was hated by Putin also for his pro-democracy stance. It still leaves the question unanswered, WHY DID PUTIN WANT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT? Sorry bout the caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Quick Reminder: ..................................NO COLLUSION ........................NO OBSTRUCTION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So they actively supported Trump, like your article sys. More likely they hacked other Republicans to help Trump in the primaries, Marco Rubio was hated by Putin also for his pro-democracy stance. It still leaves the question unanswered, WHY DID PUTIN WANT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT? Sorry bout the caps It seems like that a long time ago you should have realized that nobody here believes in you. Why waste your life here when you can seek out like minded morons on NPR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, mjt328 said: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=0&referer= This is from the New York Times, right after the 2016 election. Intelligence officials say both the DNC and RNC were hacked, but they only released what they obtained from the Democrat side. You can cover your ears and call it "misinformation" - but this is from a liberal-leaning publication. If Russia was looking to hack both sides, it's quite possible their goal was not explicitly to help get Trump elected. It's just as possible the plan was to cause chaos/discourse during the election, and in the end, they were only able to obtain damaging information on the Democratic candidate. Either way, (as I stated in my previous post) what the Russians wanted to do is irrelevant. They had no affect on changing, adding or subtracting American votes. I applaud your efforts, but TOC is not interested in discussion. Hell, he is not interested in even reading what your wrote. He doesn't even read the links he posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: It seems like that a long time ago you should have realized that nobody here believes in you. Why waste your life here when you can seek out like minded morons on NPR? It's true Rob! Putin is more liked around here than me ? Just now, KRC said: I applaud your efforts, but TOC is not interested in discussion. Hell, he is not interested in even reading what your wrote. He doesn't even read the links he posts. Why do you think Putin wanted Trump as President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, KRC said: I applaud your efforts, but TOC is not interested in discussion. Hell, he is not interested in even reading what your wrote. He doesn't even read the links he posts. Asking, and re-asking a question based on a false premise is a great example of his simplicity. He is incapable of understanding that. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So they actively supported Trump, like your article says. More likely they hacked other Republicans to help Trump in the primaries, Marco Rubio was hated by Putin also for his pro-democracy stance. It still leaves the question unanswered, WHY DID PUTIN WANT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT? Sorry bout the caps Russian intelligence was used to create the Trump Dossier. If Putin wanted Trump to be president so badly, why would he have allowed this to happen? I'm sure that China's government would have preferred Hillary Clinton to win the election, rather than deal with someone who was going to overhaul trade with them. And if every U.S. intelligence agency spent two years digging into it, you would probably discover that China also made efforts to influence the 2016 election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, mjt328 said: Russian intelligence was used to create the Trump Dossier. If Putin wanted Trump to be president so badly, why would he have allowed this to happen? Really? Were they? Or is that just a misinformation point? We know Putin wanted Trump as President, we are beyond that, I'm just asking why now. Why did Putin want this incompetent fool as our president? Was it to create chaos? Was Putin upset with green energy sending oil prices lower? Was it he just had Trump compromised and Trump is sending him classified info and Putin is using that to kill our CIA assets in Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why do you think Putin wanted Trump as President? I am thinking Warren will continue to rise in the polls as Biden falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Russia wanted Trump to win, why? Not sure they wanted him to as much as they thought he had no chance, so they tossed in their two cents. As stated above to sow discord "when" Killary was coronated. But like the Dems and they underestimated him. Remember, as soon as Trump announced that he was running, they gave him zero chance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, Gary M said: Not sure they wanted him to as much as they thought he had no chance, so they tossed in their two cents. As stated above to sow discord "when" Killary was coronated. But like the Dems and they underestimated him. Remember, as soon as Trump announced that he was running, they gave him zero chance. they mocked everyone who even suggested it mocking is about the worst thing to do in public, short of execution now how do they like them apples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Really? Were they? Or is that just a misinformation point? If you really don't know the history of the Steele/Trump Dossier, then you need to spend the afternoon doing some research before posting more about the Russia thing. Here is an article I quickly Googled from CNN. It's from March: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index.html Hillary Clinton's campaign paid for the creation of this Dossier. It was compiled by ex-British agent Christopher Steele. Many of the sources were from the Russian government. 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We know Putin wanted Trump as President, we are beyond that, I'm just asking why now. Why did Putin want this incompetent fool as our president? Was it to create chaos? Was Putin upset with green energy sending oil prices lower? Was it he just had Trump compromised and Trump is sending him classified info and Putin is using that to kill our CIA assets in Russia? I'll think up a conspiracy theory involving Tom Brady and Robert Kraft and get back to you. Geez. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, mjt328 said: If you really don't know the history of the Steele/Trump Dossier, then you need to spend the afternoon doing some research before posting more about the Russia thing. Here is an article I quickly Googled from CNN. It's from March: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index.html Hillary Clinton's campaign paid for the creation of this Dossier. It was compiled by ex-British agent Christopher Steele. Many of the sources were from the Russian government. I'll think up a conspiracy theory involving Tom Brady and Robert Kraft and get back to you. Geez. Hey, Mueller's probe established Putin wanted Trump as President. I just want to know why? You are just trying to muddy the waters with all this other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. excellent point, hear hear, Madame Speaker!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, Gary M said: Not sure they wanted him to as much as they thought he had no chance, so they tossed in their two cents. As stated above to sow discord "when" Killary was coronated. But like the Dems and they underestimated him. Remember, as soon as Trump announced that he was running, they gave him zero chance. The Russians did a lot to get Trump to be President. Why is that? LOL! And know Row the D-bag is hooting about ignoring me! Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. and a witty counterproposal, right rum played, Jeeves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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