3rdnlng Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, GG said: Perhaps that's why Jared & Lighthizer have been at the tip of the negotiations to ensure that it isn't simply a money dump. In any event, you can't expect instant results, but if you offer the carrot and stick of investing in Central America and force them to change laws which allow those business investments to thrive, then you start chipping away at the problem. That is far more effective than trying to police a 5,000 mile borderline. I'm still of the opinion that the catalyst of change really has to come from the people of the country. We spilt our blood and paid the dues to form this country. We earned it. They'll never get better than what they now have if they don't earn it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: I'm still of the opinion that the catalyst of change really has to come from the people of the country. We spilt our blood and paid the dues to form this country. We earned it. They'll never get better than what they now have if they don't earn it themselves. The Central American countries have been in a perpetual civil war for the last 2 generations and you think more bloodshed is the cure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: still in the ignore pile Q stands for what? You talkin’ to me jive turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, GG said: Perhaps that's why Jared & Lighthizer have been at the tip of the negotiations to ensure that it isn't simply a money dump. In any event, you can't expect instant results, but if you offer the carrot and stick of investing in Central America and force them to change laws which allow those business investments to thrive, then you start chipping away at the problem. That is far more effective than trying to police a 5,000 mile borderline. Mexico and Central America have missed giant economic opportunities. Those countries have low cost labor and the largest marketplace in their backyard (the U.S.) and while some manufacturing and exports have resulted, they could have been like China in terms of growing a manufacturing economy. In addition they are full of natural resources yet haven't capitalized on that to the extent they could. These are cultures of corrupt leadership which is very hard to change. To your point though, we should be working better with them. Edited May 31, 2019 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Mexico and Central America have missed giant economic opportunities. Those countries have low cost labor and the largest marketplace in their backyard (the U.S.) and while some manufacturing and exports have resulted, they could have been like China in terms of growing a manufacturing economy. In addition they are full of natural resources yet haven't capitalized on that to the extent they could. These are cultures of corrupt leadership which is very hard to change. To your point though, we should be working better with them. You're preaching to the choir. The corruption is almost codified into national laws. There was hope that NAFTA would provide a spark in Mexico to liberalize their markets, but it was very slow because they still put big guards around foreign ownership. The ultimate promise never came fast, but has trickled in over the various administrations. who knows, maybe AMLO will be the catalyst to break up the family business cartels, but hopefully he will open up the country for more investment and not renationalize. So far, he's been talking the right tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 "America is for migrants" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: "America is for migrants" Sorry amigo. No comprende. Donde esta tu tarjeta verde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Sorry amigo. No comprende. Donde esta tu tarjeta verde? Google translate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 No justice no peace! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Could go in the media thread too -- but considering this is hitting right as he's going to London... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Wow, that's mean. Accurate and funny, but mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Could go in the media thread too -- but considering this is hitting right as he's going to London... Link to CNN saying he said she was nasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Prickly Pete Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: When are we going to see some charges against these people? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 6 hours ago, OJ Tom said: When are we going to see some charges against these people? Gotta be soon. Otherwise the window closes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 6 hours ago, OJ Tom said: When are we going to see some charges against these people? The twelfth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Either Guaido has been rendered irrelevant, or Maduro did something to piss Putin off... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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