Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 That's Win. Stacked on Win. WRAPPED in Win. That guy needs face-time on the major networks, which are ALL about the black persecution. What a crock. Agreed CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP8DNB4Fbs4 stupid kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP8DNB4Fbs4 stupid kid. stupid world. all the way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 stupid world. all the way around. and if the kid killed those cops would we hear a thing about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 and if the kid killed those cops would we hear a thing about it? Not to the extent that we have seen thus far.... CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) and if the kid killed those cops would we hear a thing about it? Yes, we would have heard about it. Are you doubting that? Honestly, I wasn't even questioning the cops in this Cleveland case...just think the whole situation is sad. My father was a police officer. My grandfather too...killed as result of injuries sustained on the job, before i was born. He was pushed out of a window while trying to break up a domestic squable, early 60's. Died a few weeks later. I am not one of those who always thinks cops are in the wrong...but I do remember my father, an old guy, often saying that a lot of the "younger cops" (he was saying this in the 90's, mind you) had no business being cops. It's a thankless job...but it takes a certain tempermant. Maybe that temperment doesn't exist anymore. Edited November 26, 2014 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 stupid world. all the way around. Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Explain. Not sure what there is to expalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 http://www.slate.com..._testimony.html Just got done reading dorian johnsons testimony. interesting read. Very interesting. I particularly like when the Grand Jury caught him in various lies and he almost tripped over himself in his backpedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Very interesting. I particularly like when the Grand Jury caught him in various lies and he almost tripped over himself in his backpedal. In cases like this it is almost impossible to trust the witness in this circumstance because he was likely in such shock from the initial theft to begin with; I do not think his intent was to lie or be wrong, I just think he did not know what he did not know and strung together the rest with what he could make up to justify what he saw. It was not malicious in my opinion, but I'd like to hear what cases you believed he was lying. Yes, we would have heard about it. Are you doubting that? Honestly, I wasn't even questioning the cops in this Cleveland case...just think the whole situation is sad. My father was a police officer. My grandfather too...killed as result of injuries sustained on the job, before i was born. He was pushed out of a window while trying to break up a domestic squable, early 60's. Died a few weeks later. I am not one of those who always thinks cops are in the wrong...but I do remember my father, an old guy, often saying that a lot of the "younger cops" (he was saying this in the 90's, mind you) had no business being cops. It's a thankless job...but it takes a certain tempermant. Maybe that temperment doesn't exist anymore. We would have heard it as a quick mention on the news, seen a few stories on it and then it would have been silenced by the "black kid shot by white cop, herpderp, justice, peace, no rest, herp derp, racism." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 "If you like that new TV, you can keep that new TV. If you like those sweet Air Jordans, you can keep those sweet Air Jordans. Just run away quick." President Barack Obama on soothing the social strife in Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 In cases like this it is almost impossible to trust the witness in this circumstance because he was likely in such shock from the initial theft to begin with; I do not think his intent was to lie or be wrong, I just think he did not know what he did not know and strung together the rest with what he could make up to justify what he saw. It was not malicious in my opinion, but I'd like to hear what cases you believed he was lying. Wilson supposedly told them to "Get the F#$@ on the sidewalk", but then he (Johnson) says on page 65 lines 21 through 24 "At that time the officer didn't really look like, you know, he was mad or he was telling us that we was committing a crime, he was just saying get on the sidewalk." Johnson testifies that he brought money to go buy breakfast for his girlfriend and child, and get some cigarillos to smoke weed. Then he testifies that he has no pockets in his pants. Grand Jury notices this and asks about it..."Oh, I keep my money in my shoe". Really? He also said that he intended to pay for the cigarillos, yet had no real reason as to why he didn't except he wanted to just get out of the store and away from the situation. Moments later, Brown and Johnson are just nonchalantly strolling down the middle of the road talking about what their futures held. Sound like someone who was so scared of the robbery that had just occurred? He goes into great detail to describe how Wilson pulled Brown into the patrol car and Brown was just trying to pull away. Yet, when confronted with common sense - how was a 6'4" 285 lb man not able to pull away from an officer's single handed grasp - he has no real answer. Thats just a few that I noticed upon my initial skimming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Wilson supposedly told them to "Get the F#$@ on the sidewalk", but then he (Johnson) says on page 65 lines 21 through 24 "At that time the officer didn't really look like, you know, he was mad or he was telling us that we was committing a crime, he was just saying get on the sidewalk." Johnson testifies that he brought money to go buy breakfast for his girlfriend and child, and get some cigarillos to smoke weed. Then he testifies that he has no pockets in his pants. Grand Jury notices this and asks about it..."Oh, I keep my money in my shoe". Really? He also said that he intended to pay for the cigarillos, yet had no real reason as to why he didn't except he wanted to just get out of the store and away from the situation. Moments later, Brown and Johnson are just nonchalantly strolling down the middle of the road talking about what their futures held. Sound like someone who was so scared of the robbery that had just occurred? He goes into great detail to describe how Wilson pulled Brown into the patrol car and Brown was just trying to pull away. Yet, when confronted with common sense - how was a 6'4" 285 lb man not able to pull away from an officer's single handed grasp - he has no real answer. Thats just a few that I noticed upon my initial skimming... The money thing I just chalked up to him actually doing that because if I don't have pants I usually do that. The issue about getting to the sidewalk I think was just exaggerated because he was a bit riled up, same with him leaving the store. I think he was just and is just a dumb guy who wanted to not be on camera or get shot and did not put the full puzzle together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Ferguson a-passin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) The money thing I just chalked up to him actually doing that because if I don't have pants I usually do that. The issue about getting to the sidewalk I think was just exaggerated because he was a bit riled up, same with him leaving the store. I think he was just and is just a dumb guy who wanted to not be on camera or get shot and did not put the full puzzle together. Is an "exaggeration" a lie? Is the exaggeration intended to create a false appearance of Officer Wilson's demeanor? To paint him as a hateful cop? Regarding not being on camera - so, what you are saying is he knew a crime was being committed and he was implicated in it and he didn't want to get caught? The Grand Jury got to the bottom of that little episode, when Johnson finally admitted that the purpose of walking down the middle of the road was to act tough in the neighborhood. Edited November 26, 2014 by Sig1Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Is an "exaggeration" a lie? Is the exaggeration intended to create a false appearance of Officer Wilson's demeanor? To paint him as a hateful cop? Regarding not being on camera - so, what you are saying is he knew a crime was being committed and he was implicated in it and he didn't want to get caught? The Grand Jury got to the bottom of that little episode, when Johnson finally admitted that the purpose of walking down the middle of the road was to act tough in the neighborhood. Is an "exaggeration" a lie? Is the exaggeration intended to create a false appearance of Officer Wilson's demeanor? To paint him as a hateful cop? Regarding not being on camera - so, what you are saying is he knew a crime was being committed and he was implicated in it and he didn't want to get caught? The Grand Jury got to the bottom of that little episode, when Johnson finally admitted that the purpose of walking down the middle of the road was to act tough in the neighborhood. I am not disagreeing with you. I am putting myself in the witnesses shoes with his money. The guy may or may not have been traumatized but likely did not see everything yet told himself he did and made up for it by connecting the dots in his head. It's human nature and it is why witnesses are awful at accounting for events until forensics can match the testimony. He likely believed that the cop was a little hostile and had to draw up in his mind that the cop was that way, if he was or wasn't lying it's hard to say. It just comes with using a witness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Was Wilson exaggerating a little too? Was he really fending off the Incredible Hulk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I am not disagreeing with you. I am putting myself in the witnesses shoes with his money. The guy may or may not have been traumatized but likely did not see everything yet told himself he did and made up for it by connecting the dots in his head. It's human nature and it is why witnesses are awful at accounting for events until forensics can match the testimony. He likely believed that the cop was a little hostile and had to draw up in his mind that the cop was that way, if he was or wasn't lying it's hard to say. It just comes with using a witness. No doubt that witnesses can process things differently. I understand that - its part of my job. With Johnson, I believe it is a little more than that. Seeing his interviews after the incident, where the MSM jumped on his version of events (which largely fueled the impending national uproar and false narrative) and reading the transcript of his testimony, I dont believe that his mind subconsciously "filled in the empty spaces" as does typically and naturally happen. I believe his version is filled with more conscious and intentional deception. Thats all. Was Wilson exaggerating a little too? Was he really fending off the Incredible Hulk? The difference is this: "It was like a 5 year old against Hulk Hogan". It was a metaphor in order to describe his mindset. Different than stating things as fact "He said get the F off the street". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Paraphrasing - Johnson: We was just walking down the middle of the street. It's not like we were breaking the law, or anything. Grand Jury: Wait a minute, you just robbed a store of cigarillos... Johnson: Oh, yeah, well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Was Wilson exaggerating a little too? Was he really fending off the Incredible Hulk? Let me tell you as someone who has had to deal with a very large, hopped up person - you wouldn't be so cavalier if you'd ever faced the same thing. Brown was on drugs and very likely on a dopamine high from his earlier shenanigans. A guy that big in that state is capable of plenty of mayhem that you couldn't imagine if you'd never seen it. But keep up the narrative because it fits your politics and most likely the choice you made when you first heard all the for profit media "reporting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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