4merper4mer Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 A lot of people are all over Whaley because we don't have a #1 this year. I'm wondering how nice they'd all be if we have Eric Ebron on the Bills and still had our #1. Eric Ebron plus unknown roughly #10 pic > Sammy? I don't think so, others might think so, but there is no way to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think what you are trying to ask is are the Bills better off with Sammy Watkins or having a player like Enbron and their 1st round pick in 2015. Hindsight is 20-20 but I really like Watkins. He's capable of breaking DB's ankles with the routes he runs. Great player even if it cost us a number #1 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think if we didn't grab Sammy....the Bucs end up with him one way or another and we get Mike Evans. Given the way Evans has looked...Evans + #10ish is better than Sammy (and that isn't a knock on Sammy btw). I still stand by the Sammy trade though. We all knew what we gave up...there was always going to be one or more "what-if-instead-of-Sammy scenarios" that would be good looking back. The point is, we secured Sammy. You can't complain. We'll have him for a while. It was a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) A lot of people are all over Whaley because we don't have a #1 this year. I'm wondering how nice they'd all be if we have Eric Ebron on the Bills and still had our #1. Eric Ebron plus unknown roughly #10 pic > Sammy? I don't think so, others might think so, but there is no way to be sure. Drafting WR's top 10 doesn't make much sense in today's NFL. It is fools gold. I believe there isn't a single one drafted in the top 10 that currently has won a superbowl. Most teams that draft top 10 WR's don't even make the playoffs. It's an over glorified position that relies heavily on finding the correct QB and finding WR's in the late 1st to mid rounds. The Bills went all in on a WR and currently have the worst offense in the NFL and won't make the playoffs for the 15th year in a row. This trade currently isn't working out which Whaley banked on heavily. Edited November 18, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Drafting WR's top 10 doesn't make much sense in today's NFL. I believe there isn't a single one drafted in the top 10 that currently has won a superbowl. Most teams that draft top 10 WR's don't even make the playoffs. It's an over glorified position that relies heavily on finding the correct QB and finding WR's in the late 1st to mid rounds. The Bills went all in on a WR and currently have the worst offense in the NFL. This trade currently isn't working out which Whaley banked on heavily. Matt Millen disagrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Ebron round 1, Kujo round 2, and yes, a lot more of us would be wondering about the bona fides of Doug Whaley. Edited November 18, 2014 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Whaley is the best shot the Bills have had in 15 years to make the playoffs. It's too bad Marrone is stuck on having Hacket as his OC, that may be what kills Whaley in the end. He'll end up somewhere like Oakland and turn them around in 2 years. He's made some great personel decisions it's too bad Marrone sucks at his job. Marrone is Whaleys worst decision to date. Edited November 18, 2014 by Hazed and Amuzed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Look, The additional #1 is no big deal should the Bills go heavy in free agency. Forget about this, ITS OVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Drafting WR's top 10 doesn't make much sense in today's NFL. It is fools gold. I believe there isn't a single one drafted in the top 10 that currently has won a superbowl. Most teams that draft top 10 WR's don't even make the playoffs. It's an over glorified position that relies heavily on finding the correct QB and finding WR's in the late 1st to mid rounds. The Bills went all in on a WR and currently have the worst offense in the NFL and we won't make the playoffs for the 15th year in a row. This trade currently isn't working out which Whaley banked on heavily. This is a good point. If we have a good QB then having a guy like Sammy helps a lot. Without a decent one, its pointless. Hopefully they figure it out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Matt Millen disagrees with you. In terms of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Drafting WR's top 10 doesn't make much sense in today's NFL. It is fools gold. I believe there isn't a single one drafted in the top 10 that currently has won a superbowl. Most teams that draft top 10 WR's don't even make the playoffs. It's an over glorified position that relies heavily on finding the correct QB and finding WR's in the late 1st to mid rounds. The Bills went all in on a WR and currently have the worst offense in the NFL and we won't make the playoffs for the 15th year in a row. This trade currently isn't working out which Whaley banked on heavily. Since '07 Sammy Watkins Mike Evans Tavon Austin Justin Blackmon AJ Green Julio Jones Darrius Heyward-Bey Michael Crabtree Calvin Johnson Ted Ginn I would say the majority of those guys are big time. I think it can be argued that, at this point, those players I underlined are the signature players for their team. That's half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Since '07 Sammy Watkins Mike Evans Tavon Austin Justin Blackmon AJ Green Julio Jones Darrius Heyward-Bey Michael Crabtree Calvin Johnson Ted Ginn I would say the majority of those guys are big time. I think it can be argued that, at this point, those players I underlined are the signature players for their team. That's half. How many times have those teams made the playoffs with those WR's, how many superbowl appearances and how many superbowl wins? Edited November 18, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Look, The additional #1 is no big deal should the Bills go heavy in free agency. Forget about this, ITS OVER. this is my opinion as well. The consensus is this is a weak draft outside of a few positions like RB and DT. A premier FA TE or G, for example, would likely have more immediate impact than a rookie. QB is obviously one position that is not easily signed in FA. But they could have up to 8 draft picks plus Orton and EJ. They can take a QB with their 2nd rd pick if they like one. They would not have drafted high enough to get one of the "top notch" QBs in this draft, nor are the next level down QBs definitely 1st rd grades. Add to that there are not that many teams likely to take a QB in the 1st this year. I am not following all the rookie wr stats each week and comparing them to Sammy to somehow validate or invalidate the pick/trade because 10 games into their careers is way too early. He is here for at least 5 yrs. Edited November 18, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 How many times have those teams made the playoffs with those WR's, how many superbowl appearances and how many wins? I'm your friend: https://www.google.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) How many times have those teams made the playoffs with those WR's, how many superbowl appearances and how many wins? That is a ridiculous question to ask. This exact same argument could be made to say that drafting in the top generally is terrible thing to do. You know why? Because the teams who have consistent success never do. Those are great football players. Period. Edited November 18, 2014 by MoreOffense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 That is a ridiculous question to ask. This exact same argument could be made to say that drafting in the top generally is terrible thing to do. You know why? Because the teams who have consistent success never do. Those are great football players. Period. Great individual players, sure but it's a team sport and their individual contribution at that position means very little in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think if we didn't grab Sammy....the Bucs end up with him one way or another and we get Mike Evans. Given the way Evans has looked...Evans + #10ish is better than Sammy (and that isn't a knock on Sammy btw). I still stand by the Sammy trade though. We all knew what we gave up...there was always going to be one or more "what-if-instead-of-Sammy scenarios" that would be good looking back. The point is, we secured Sammy. You can't complain. We'll have him for a while. It was a good thing. I think the Browns would have taken Sammy, considering the situation with Gordon. No way to know now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think the Browns would have taken Sammy, considering the situation with Gordon. No way to know now though. they said they were going to take Watkins if they didn't trade the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Drafting WR's top 10 doesn't make much sense in today's NFL. It is fools gold. I believe there isn't a single one drafted in the top 10 that currently has won a superbowl. Most teams that draft top 10 WR's don't even make the playoffs. It's an over glorified position that relies heavily on finding the correct QB and finding WR's in the late 1st to mid rounds. The Bills went all in on a WR and currently have the worst offense in the NFL and won't make the playoffs for the 15th year in a row. This trade currently isn't working out which Whaley banked on heavily. What position would you draft in the top ten that has won a Superbowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Whaley is the best shot the Bills have had in 15 years to make the playoffs. It's too bad Marrone is stuck on having Hacket as his OC, that may be what kills Whaley in the end. He'll end up somewhere like Oakland and turn them around in 2 years. He's made some great personel decisions it's too bad Marrone sucks at his job. Marrone is Whaleys worst decision to date. Marrone wasn't Whaley's decision. It was Russ Brandon's and Buddy Nix's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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