Bob in Mich Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) I doubt cannabis can do much to fight the covid-19 pandemic. Cannabinoids seem to nudge the body's own systems to act....generally relatively slowly. This illness seems to overwhelm the respiratory system so quickly, I doubt cannabis would kill it off before it kills off a vulnerable host. However, cannabis may yet have a role in treating symptoms. I caught a respiratory bug in early February (probably from the Sabres game on 2/4). I woke up on the 8th feeling crappy with a very heavy chest. For medical cannabis patients, most often their underlying reason for taking med cannabis does not go away just because they have now added in a cold or the flu. Same for me and when trying to smoke when I got this illness, it felt like the coughing may make my lungs turn inside out....way too irritating. (I am not a medical professional so these opinions are just anecdotal observations.) To address one's underlying issues, you can still get medicinal benefits by ingesting differently, cannabis oil or edibles specifically. THC is a known bronchdilator and it can help with some types of breathing difficulties. If you read the articles above, in addition, there is some indication that cannabis suppresses immune response. If the immune response may be responsible for worsening breathing issues at some point, modulating that response may help. In other processes, endo-cannabinoids are essentially messenger molecules which tamp down 'overactive' responses. I am just speculating here to explain the following. When I was ill I had access to high THC cannabis concentrate as well as cannabis infused coconut oil and used a little of both with my morning coffee. Over the next several hours the positive impact on my chest congestion was so good, I thought I might actually be getting over the illness. I could breathe soooo much better. My cough continued but for a few hours the cough was much more productive at hoarking up lung mucus (sorry for that image). Although the illness should be gone by now, I don't yet feel 100%. I have had lingering congestion. Is that related to immune suppression of cannabis? It may be, I don't know, and that would certainly be a terrible side effect if so. Before writing this up, I wanted to repeat today the cannabis/coffee experiment mentioned above. Right now, the impact is the same, my breathing is again very much improved. If you have access to cannabis concentrates and/or cannabis infused coconut oil, buy some. If not, you may want to consider making your own. These products will allow you to get benefits from cannabis without smoking or vaping. The following link goes into detail on canning the resultant oil but that is unnecessary. The finished product can be kept for years without sealing or refrigeration. https://emilykylenutrition.com/cannabis-coconut-oil/ Edited March 19, 2020 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Sorry Bob but a case of Corona and some skunk would be the dream right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories ...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Foxx said: Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories ...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ... Dude - we cured all diseases last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 53 minutes ago, Foxx said: Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories ...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ... You mean there's a chance I really didn't have a threesome with Reese Witherspoon and Kat Timpf last night? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You mean there's a chance I really didn't have a threesome with Reese Witherspoon and Kat Timpf last night? not to worry, you won't remember in a few anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, Foxx said: not to worry, you won't remember in a few anyways. I could tell you things! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Blood test 'can check for more than 50 types of cancer' A simple blood test can check for more than 50 types of cancer, often before any signs or symptoms, scientists say. It could help diagnose tumours sooner, when they are easier to treat and, ideally, cure, experts hope. More than 99% of positive results are accurate, the team says, but it will be crucial to check it does not miss cases and provide false assurance. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52090359 Not sure where else to put this , I hate to start a thread , but interesting item. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 What entities out there are testing marijuana therapies to treat the Chinese virus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, Nanker said: What entities out there are testing marijuana therapies to treat the Chinese virus? I miss the days when you were preaching to everyone the death rate of the seasonal flu is 1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I've been consistent in saying that the mortality rate of flu victims who are hospitalized is higher than that. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html Not everyone that gets the flu goes to a doctor. Not everyone that goes to a Dr. gets hospitalized. Those that do get hospitalized die at a significantly high rate. But you know that, and you're now free to go about bashing the POTUS. Symptomatic Illnesses Medical Visits Hospitalizations Deaths Season Estimate 95% U I Estimate 95% U I Estimate 95% U I Estimate 95% U I 2010-2011 21,000,000 (20,000,000 – 25,000,000) 10,000,000 (9,300,000 – 12,000,000) 290,000 (270,000 – 350,000) 37,000 (32,000 – 51,000) 2011-2012 9,300,000 (8,700,000 – 12,000,000) 4,300,000 (4,000,000 – 5,600,000) 140,000 (130,000 – 190,000) 12,000 (11,000 – 23,000) 2012-2013 34,000,000 (32,000,000 – 38,000,000) 16,000,000 (15,000,000 – 18,000,000) 570,000 (530,000 – 680,000) 43,000 (37,000 – 57,000) 2013-2014 30,000,000 (28,000,000 – 33,000,000) 13,000,000 (12,000,000 – 15,000,000) 350,000 (320,000 – 390,000) 38,000 (33,000 – 50,000) 2014-2015 30,000,000 (29,000,000 – 33,000,000) 14,000,000 (13,000,000 – 16,000,000) 590,000 (540,000 – 680,000) 51,000 (44,000 – 64,000) 2015-2016 24,000,000 (20,000,000 – 33,000,000) 11,000,000 (9,000,000 – 15,000,000) 280,000 (220,000 – 480,000) 23,000 (17,000 – 35,000) 2016-2017 29,000,000 (25,000,000 – 45,000,000) 14,000,000 (11,000,000 – 23,000,000) 500,000 (380,000 – 860,000) 38,000 (29,000 – 61,000) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nanker said: But you know that, and you're now free to go about bashing the POTUS. Thanks for the permission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Thanks for the permission You don't need my permission to be an abject a ### h ####. You're a self-made man. Edited March 31, 2020 by Nanker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) On 3/18/2020 at 9:19 AM, Bob in Mich said: https://www.leafly.com/news/health/cannabis-coronavirus-covid-19-facts https://www.leafly.com/news/health/cannabis-cold-flu-experts-discuss Quote I doubt cannabis can do much to fight the covid-19 pandemic. Cannabinoids seem to nudge the body's own systems to act....generally relatively slowly. This illness seems to overwhelm the respiratory system so quickly, I doubt cannabis would kill it off before it kills off a vulnerable host. However, cannabis may yet have a role in treating symptoms. I caught a respiratory bug in early February (probably from the Sabres game on 2/4). I woke up on the 8th feeling crappy with a very heavy chest. For medical cannabis patients, most often their underlying reason for taking med cannabis does not go away just because they have now added in a cold or the flu. Same for me and when trying to smoke when I got this illness, it felt like the coughing may make my lungs turn inside out....way too irritating. (I am not a medical professional so these opinions are just my observations.) To address one's underlying issues, you can still get medicinal benefits by ingesting differently, cannabis oil or edibles specifically. THC is a known bronchodilator and it can help with some types of breathing difficulties. If you read the articles above, in addition, there is some indication that cannabis suppresses immune response. If the immune response may be responsible for worsening breathing issues at some point, modulating that response may help. In other processes, endo-cannabinoids are essentially messenger molecules which tamp down 'overactive' responses. I am just speculating here to explain the following. When I was ill I had access to high THC cannabis concentrate as well as cannabis infused coconut oil and used a little of both with my morning coffee. Over the next several hours the positive impact on my chest congestion was so good, I thought I might actually be getting over the illness. I could breathe soooo much better. My cough continued but for a few hours the cough was much more productive at hoarking up lung mucus (sorry for that image). Although the illness should be gone by now, I don't yet feel 100%. I have had lingering congestion. Is that related to immune suppression of cannabis? It may be, I don't know, and that would certainly be a terrible side effect if so. Before writing this up, I wanted to repeat today the cannabis/coffee experiment mentioned above. Right now, the impact is the same, my breathing is again very much improved. If you have access to cannabis concentrates and/or cannabis infused coconut oil, buy some. If not, you may want to consider making your own. These products will allow you to get benefits from cannabis without smoking or vaping. The following link goes into detail on canning the resultant oil but that is unnecessary. The finished product can be kept for years without sealing or refrigeration. https://emilykylenutrition.com/cannabis-coconut-oil/ I have been reading a bit more about the 'cytokine storm' that seems to overwhelm the lungs in covid-19 patients. This is essentially an overreaction by our immune system to the virus. It seems that this overreaction is at the heart of the fluid build up in the lungs and so to the shortness of breath issue. With THC being a bronchodilator, there may be a treatment hidden in here somewhere I think. I am no expert in this field, unfortunately. From what I have read, many of the potential pharma treatments try to also quiet this cytokine storm. I am curious if there is any actual current research on using cannabinoids to try to treat covid-19 patients. https://www.projectcbd.org/medicine/cannabis-cbd-covid-19 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2828614/ from the study Executive summary Cannabinoids, the active components of Cannabis sativa, and endogenous cannabinoids mediate their effects through activation of specific cannabinoid receptors known as cannabinoid receptor 1 and 2 (CB1 and CB2). The cannabinoid system has been shown both in vivo and in vitro to be involved in regulating the immune system through its immunomodulatory properties. Cannabinoids suppress inflammatory response and subsequently attenuate disease symptoms. This property of cannabinoids is mediated through multiple pathways such as induction of apoptosis in activated immune cells, suppression of cytokines and chemokines at inflammatory sites and upregulation of FoxP3+ regulatory T cells. Cannabinoids have been tested in several experimental models of autoimmune disorders such as multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, colitis and hepatitis and have been shown to protect the host from the pathogenesis through induction of multiple anti-inflammatory pathways. Cannabinoids may also be beneficial in certain types of cancers that are triggered by chronic inflammation. In such instances, cannabinoids can either directly inhibit tumor growth or suppress inflammation and tumor angiogenesis. Edited April 6, 2020 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 hours ago, bbb said: Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs? On the bright side, any damage to your lungs from smoking pot is cured through the magic of smoking pot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 6:19 AM, Tiberius said: Executive orders are so much fun! Bernie will legalize pot on day one. Day one! This is not aging well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: This is not aging well. Neither is Bernie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs? Sadly enough many- and I by that I mean the majority- of high school students believe pot is not bad for your lungs. I have no moral qualms with smoking it but I am sick of hearing pot never killed anyone. It is smoke into your lungs therefore it is bad, maybe not as bad as cigarettes but still bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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