What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

As usual B.S. just regurgitates what he is told.

 

The Republicans support funding for Mental Health assistance in schools, but (imagine this) they don't want to support a bill named for one thing and delivering something else.

 

 

Foxx Opposes Democrats’ H.R. 7780—a Blatant Power Grab

WASHINGTON, D.C., September 29, 2022

 

Today, Education and Labor Committee Republican Leader Virginia Foxx (R-NC) spoke on the House floor in opposition to H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, due to its attack on job creators and its failure to address the nation's mental health situation:
 
“H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, is a package of bills our country would be better off without.
 
“For example, Title VI of the bill, the Strengthening Behavioral Health Benefits Act contains dangerous policy which would threaten access to critical workplace benefits.
 
“How would this legislation drive employers to drop benefits? H.R. 7780 allows the Department of Labor (DOL) to level civil monetary penalties against plans and employers for ambiguous mental health parity violations. Employers who offer mental health benefits under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) do so voluntarily. They should not be penalized for violating standards that are unclear and vague.
 
“Republicans and Democrats alike support mental health parity, which is why Congress has passed multiple laws to ensure employers are able to meet mental health parity requirements. Yet, despite receiving explicit direction from Congress outlining what DOL must provide to plans, the Department has yet to issue guidance. 
 
“This legislation would also increase DOL’s budget for mental health parity enforcement by an additional $275 million over 10 years—a sure sign DOL wants to double down on its aggression towards employers. This money would be better spent on compliance assistance instead of targeting employers based on ambiguous standards.
 
“Additionally, Title VII, the Employee and Retiree Access to Justice Act, gets rid of arbitration clauses, class action waivers, and discretionary clauses in employee benefit plans. This opens the door to increased litigation against plan sponsors which could drastically increase the cost of administering these plans.   

 
“This bill also contains provisions regarding the youth mental health situation. There is bipartisan agreement that addressing the mental health of youth matters.
 
{snip}

“Lastly, H.R. 7780 includes the Respond, Innovate, Succeed, and Empower (RISE) Act, the intent of which Republicans support. While I agree that students with disabilities shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to obtain accommodations at school, this legislation will have unintended consequences as currently drafted.  
 
“For example, this legislation forces colleges and universities to accept outdated documentation from students who are claiming disability status but who do not in fact have a disability. This legislation should have been debated with stakeholders before being rushed to the House floor—but as usual Democrats took a shortcut.
 
“I would encourage my colleagues to work across the aisle and utilize the deliberative process to form more commonsense and targeted legislation if they actually want to address our country’s mental health situation.
 
“H.R. 7780 is a bill that tries to do too much—and none of it well. I urge my colleagues to vote no on this legislation.”

 

https://republicans-edlabor.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408614

Yeah but the children!!  

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

As usual B.S. just regurgitates what he is told.

 

The Republicans support funding for Mental Health assistance in schools, but (imagine this) they don't want to support a bill named for one thing and delivering something else.

 

 

Foxx Opposes Democrats’ H.R. 7780—a Blatant Power Grab

WASHINGTON, D.C., September 29, 2022

 

Today, Education and Labor Committee Republican Leader Virginia Foxx (R-NC) spoke on the House floor in opposition to H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, due to its attack on job creators and its failure to address the nation's mental health situation:
 
“H.R. 7780, the Mental Health Matters Act, is a package of bills our country would be better off without.
 
“For example, Title VI of the bill, the Strengthening Behavioral Health Benefits Act contains dangerous policy which would threaten access to critical workplace benefits.
 
“How would this legislation drive employers to drop benefits? H.R. 7780 allows the Department of Labor (DOL) to level civil monetary penalties against plans and employers for ambiguous mental health parity violations. Employers who offer mental health benefits under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) do so voluntarily. They should not be penalized for violating standards that are unclear and vague.
 
“Republicans and Democrats alike support mental health parity, which is why Congress has passed multiple laws to ensure employers are able to meet mental health parity requirements. Yet, despite receiving explicit direction from Congress outlining what DOL must provide to plans, the Department has yet to issue guidance. 
 
“This legislation would also increase DOL’s budget for mental health parity enforcement by an additional $275 million over 10 years—a sure sign DOL wants to double down on its aggression towards employers. This money would be better spent on compliance assistance instead of targeting employers based on ambiguous standards.
 
“Additionally, Title VII, the Employee and Retiree Access to Justice Act, gets rid of arbitration clauses, class action waivers, and discretionary clauses in employee benefit plans. This opens the door to increased litigation against plan sponsors which could drastically increase the cost of administering these plans.   

 
“This bill also contains provisions regarding the youth mental health situation. There is bipartisan agreement that addressing the mental health of youth matters.
 
{snip}

“Lastly, H.R. 7780 includes the Respond, Innovate, Succeed, and Empower (RISE) Act, the intent of which Republicans support. While I agree that students with disabilities shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to obtain accommodations at school, this legislation will have unintended consequences as currently drafted.  
 
“For example, this legislation forces colleges and universities to accept outdated documentation from students who are claiming disability status but who do not in fact have a disability. This legislation should have been debated with stakeholders before being rushed to the House floor—but as usual Democrats took a shortcut.
 
“I would encourage my colleagues to work across the aisle and utilize the deliberative process to form more commonsense and targeted legislation if they actually want to address our country’s mental health situation.
 
“H.R. 7780 is a bill that tries to do too much—and none of it well. I urge my colleagues to vote no on this legislation.”

 

https://republicans-edlabor.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408614

Irony is dead

 

TLDR

 

Laughable coming from our resident plagiarist. 

 

 

[B-Man]

                               

 

 

[BillStime]

No way

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

No way

 

 

So let me get this straight…people who are advocates for the right to keep and bear arms are hard core Republicans? No! Really? Who knew? Shocking! 
 

How do people get a degree in journalism? Sheeesh

[Andy1]

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

 

Interesting article. Murder rates are rising in red states. Murder is not just a city problem. Maybe more guns don’t make people safer. 

[B-Man]

Media Spin on Gun Control Doesn’t Match Voters’ Opinions

 

A recent survey conducted on behalf of the CPRC that examined support for red flag laws and found that the more folks know about how Extreme Risk Protection Orders work in practice, the less likely they are to want them on the books.

 

People initially answered by a two-to-one margin that they support red flag laws (58% to 29%), with the strongest support coming from Democrats, the wealthy, blacks and Hispanics, and people aged 18-29.

 

However, after being told that there are no court proceedings before an individual’s guns are taken away, and that there are no mental health care experts involved in the process, support changed to opposition (29% to 47%). Strong support plummeted from 34% to 14% and strong opposition rose from 18% to 29%.

 

Finally, people were asked if they prefer “involuntary commitment” or red flag laws. They were told that involuntary commitment laws provide for evaluations by mental health care experts, that an emergency court hearing takes place before a judge’s decision, and that a lawyer is provided if the person can’t afford one. They are also told that, under such rules, judges have a range of less extreme options, such as mandatory outpatient mental health care and weapon confiscation.

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/10/05/media_spin_on_gun_control_doesnt_match_voters_opinions_148282.html

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

BREAKING: Federal judge blocks new NY gun law; "multiple parts" unconstitutional

ASSOCIATED PRESS 12:54 PM on October 06, 2022

 

A federal judge halted key provisions Thursday of New York’s latest attempt to restrict who can carry a handgun in public and where firearms can be brought, saying multiple parts of a law the state passed this year are unconstitutional.

 

U.S. District Judge Glenn Suddaby focused on multiple parts of the law, saying licensing requirements — like a rule requiring applicants to turn over information about their social media accounts — went too far.

 

“Simply stated, instead of moving toward becoming a shall-issue jurisdiction, New York State has further entrenched itself as a shall-not-issue jurisdiction. And, by doing so, it has further reduced a first-class constitutional right to bear arms in public for self defense … into a mere request,” wrote Suddaby, who sits in Syracuse.

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-new-york-social-media-gun-politics-d2682ad7dc21aacac49b247e2a3cd518?taid=633f07176d375c0001017708&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

 

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[ArdmoreRyno]

This is horrible... it's also proof that evil finds a way if that's a knife or a gun (or both in this case). Most of the deaths were from "Stabbing wounds". 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/06/asia/thailand-mass-shooting-intl-hnk/index.html

[BillStime]

Nailed it

 

 

[BillStime]

Just another Friday Night Lights in a RED state

 

 

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

Nailed it

 

 

 

 

Yep 

 

You people are done 

[BillStime]

 

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yep 

 

You people are done 

 

Are we? 
 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

Just another Friday Night Lights in a RED state

 

 

More criminal thug/gangsters. Not GOPers. Drug dealing gang member thugs 

[Orlando Tim]

On 10/7/2022 at 11:03 PM, BillStime said:

Nailed it

 

 

Do you actually believe guns are the problem with Uvalde? 

[aristocrat]

On 10/7/2022 at 11:23 PM, BillStime said:

Just another Friday Night Lights in a RED state

 

 

what party is the mayor of Toledo?

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 10/9/2022 at 6:45 AM, aristocrat said:

what party is the mayor of Toledo?

 

Toledo is a DUMP and has been ran by democrats since the town created the position of "mayor". 

[B-Man]

 

 

 Armed citizen shoots knife-wielding man threatening paramedics.

 

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/bystander-shoots-man-threatening-gainesville-paramedics

 

 

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[BillStime]

Red state bliss

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE: N.Y.

 

Law Banning Gun Carrying in Churches (Including by People Authorized by the Church) Struck Down.

 

https://reason.com/volokh/2022/10/21/n-y-law-banning-gun-carrying-in-churches-including-by-people-authorized-by-the-church-struck-down/

 

 

 

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