LeviF Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 7:01 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: Current events have pushed me over the edge, and I think I'm finally going to get a gun (two actually). I've grown up around guns (both parents are military, Dad is also police) and I've been shooting regularly since I was little, but I never really felt the need to own one myself. Now, my confidence in police to effectively protect is shaken and I feel the need to be capable of protecting myself. Looking at a handgun and a short barrel shotgun, and open to suggestions. PM me if you have questions. Idk what "DC area" means but depending on your jurisdiction the laws are going to restrict what you can buy. Unless you plan on obtaining one illegally it'll take you 6+ months to get a stamp for a short barrel shotgun. Unless you don't mean a literal short barrel shotgun and just mean a shotgun with a 18" barrel or something, in which case sky (or budget) is the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: PM me if you have questions. Idk what "DC area" means but depending on your jurisdiction the laws are going to restrict what you can buy. Unless you plan on obtaining one illegally it'll take you 6+ months to get a stamp for a short barrel shotgun. Unless you don't mean a literal short barrel shotgun and just mean a shotgun with a 18" barrel or something, in which case sky (or budget) is the limit. Virginia, so not too restrictive currently. And yes, I mean 18" instead of the real long hunting versions I've seen. I saw one shorter, but it was flagged as needing special certification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Virginia, so not too restrictive currently. And yes, I mean 18" instead of the real long hunting versions I've seen. I saw one shorter, but it was flagged as needing special certification Can't go wrong with a 12 gauge for home defense. Pricing runs the gamut but for a middling budget (~$500) you can't go wrong with a Mossberg 590. A lot of people prefer the a1 variety but unless you're a super duper tacticool guy there's really no need. Ghost ring sights are generally useless for home defense purposes so no worries if whatever you get doesn't have them. If you're talking all-times defense obviously you'll want to go with a compact handgun for concealed carry. There are tradeoffs involved here - a smaller gun is easier to conceal but harder to shoot while a larger gun is tougher to conceal and easier to shoot. See if you can try out a few at a gun shop/range combo, a lot of those places will let you rent a gun for some range time. 9mm is fine for self-defense, so something like a Glock 19 (~$500) or Smith and Wesson M&P9 compact (~$350) will do fine and have lots of accessory options due to popularity. Whatever you go with take a class appropriate for what you're buying, usually you'd want to do this right after buying your gun. Shotgun classes are typically fun and informative while conceal carry classes can run from incredibly boring and useless to super fun depending on who you get as an instructor. Whatever you do, make time to practice! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 @LeviF91 you pretty much nailed it man. I'm between the mossberg 590 and the remington 870 express And for pistol I was looking at the m&p9 and the 92FS I don't plan on concealed carry yet, but will probably do it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: @LeviF91 you pretty much nailed it man. I'm between the mossberg 590 and the remington 870 express And for pistol I was looking at the m&p9 and the 92FS I don't plan on concealed carry yet, but will probably do it eventually. Bleh, Italian guns. can't go wrong with either of those pistols. I highly recommend staying away from the 870 express. Remington post-2007 is hit or miss at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Virginia, so not too restrictive currently. And yes, I mean 18" instead of the real long hunting versions I've seen. I saw one shorter, but it was flagged as needing special certification I'm sure you don't need the tip, but be super careful about transport if you travel into DC. I've heard of people getting banged for having magazines and single rounds loose in their vehicles. 92fs is a good gun but not very concealable. I have an M&P Shield in 9 that is quite concealable and i like that (though I switched to Glock for carry) but haven't any experience with the larger frame Smiths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I'm sure you don't need the tip, but be super careful about transport if you travel into DC. I've heard of people getting banged for having magazines and single rounds loose in their vehicles. 92fs is a good gun but not very concealable. I have an M&P Shield in 9 that is quite concealable and i like that (though I switched to Glock for carry) but haven't any experience with the larger frame Smiths. Yeah, I don't plan on taking them anywhere unless I get my paperwork in order. I've shot some of the compact pistols before (px4 storm and p365 nitron) both were too small to comfortably hold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 REMINDER: The pro-slavery origins of American gun control. The colonies with large slave populations also had significant populations of free blacks. South of the Mason-Dixon line, various laws were enacted against unauthorized arms possession by slaves, and sometimes against free blacks as well. In the South, slave patrols searched slave quarters to look for unauthorized arms. Today, some people believe a bogus theory that the Second Amendment was created for the sole purpose of suppressing slave insurrections. But this can’t explain the ardent support for arms rights in Massachusetts, where slavery had already been abolished by 1791, or in Pennsylvania, where slavery was rare and already on its way to extinction. In fact, American abolitionists such as Joel Tiffany and Lysander Spooner later used the Second Amendment to argue that slavery was unconstitutional: The distinction between a free person and a slave is that the latter is forbidden to possess arms. Because the Constitution guaranteed all persons the right to keep and bear arms, it thereby implicitly forbade slavery. Soon after the Confederacy surrendered in 1865, Frederick Douglass warned that even after slavery was abolished (as it would be, by the Thirteenth Amendment later that year) the slave states would try to keep the ex-slaves in de facto servitude. Douglass explained the need for federal law to stop state and local governments from infringing the freedmen’s rights. Until there was a new constitutional amendment to make states obey the Second Amendment, “the work of the Abolitionists is not finished.” Lots of good stuff — read the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unforgiven Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Father’s Day weekend in Chicago: 102 shot, 14 killed including 5 minors https://disrn.com/news/fathers-day-weekend-in-chicago-102-shot-14-killed Where is the outcry? Why is no one talking about taking these guns away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Unforgiven said: Father’s Day weekend in Chicago: 102 shot, 14 killed including 5 minors https://disrn.com/news/fathers-day-weekend-in-chicago-102-shot-14-killed Where is the outcry? Why is no one talking about taking these guns away? Because those black lives don't matter; they can't be used as political props. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: Because those black lives don't matter; they can't be used as political props. TO THE LEFT.................Black Lives Matter only, when killed by white policemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 The usual cowards never respond to these posts...they only get their nickel for propagandist bull%$#@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buriziha Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) to forbid citizens to have weapons is unlikely anyone will succeed. too many contradictions - rooted traditions, culture, criminal groups, civil rights, a diverse country ... this tangle is very difficult to unravel "All done," Gina said as she stepped back into the living room, noting that during her brief absence Kellie had put away the folding tables and moved their glasses and the nearly empty bottle to the coffee table.She joined Kellie on the couch, curling up on the far end of it as she picked up her glass and drained the last of its contents. A smile filled her face as she put it back on the table."Do you think we should open another bottle?" Kellie asked as she poured the last few ounces into her own glass."Well, it's not like we're going anywhere," Gina offered, glancing in the direction of the window where it was still coming down."That's true," Kellie agreed as she rose from the couch and stepped back into the kitchen area, emerging with another bottle less than a minute later.https://safepornsites.pro/category/big-ass-pictures-sites/She'd just placed it next to the first one on the table when the sound of the doorbell filled the air. A look of annoyance flashed across Kellie's face as she looked up at the clock on the opposite wall. It was nearly nine o'clock, a bit late for uninvited visitors.Moving to the door, Kellie bent slightly to look through the peephole, then paused a long breath before reaching for the double lock to her right. In that brief interval, Gina noted a momentary frown on the tall woman's face and, while she was sure it was just her imagination, it looked to her that Kellie was considering whether the caller might just go away if she didn't answer."Oh good, you are home," a thirty something woman with curly, strawberry blonde hair, wearing a green dress, said as, once the door was open, she stepped right past Kellie without waiting for an invitation. "I did call first, but all I got was your answering machine.""I must've forgotten to turn the ringer back on," Kellie said, not an uncommon occurrence since she normally left that and the speaker off when not home."No matter," the woman, who Gina now saw was carrying her own wine bottle in her hand, continued, "I was afraid that you were still stuck at your office and I'd have to ride out this dreary storm all by my......"She paused in mid-word as she noticed Gina sitting on the couch. An observation that caused her demeanor to abruptly change."Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you already had company," she said, her tone now a bit less forward."Dorothy, I'd like you to meet Gina Giordano," Kellie said as she motioned in the direction of the couch with her outstretched hand. "Gina and I work together at Casella and North."Dorothy took another, longer look at the younger woman on the couch, noting at the same time the open bottles of wine on the coffee table."Gina, this is Dorothy Freeberg, my neighbor from down the hall," Kellie said to continue the introduction."A pleasure to meet you, Gina," Dorothy finally said, a hesitant smile leaving the validity of her sentiment in doubt."It's nice to meet you as well," Gina said, her smile more genuine."Gina got waylaid by the storm, so I offered her a safe haven for the night," Kellie added, repeating what she had told the doorman earlier."Oh, I see," Dorothy said, glancing at the bottle in her hand."Was that for me?" Kellie asked, recalling that Dorothy actually owed her several bottles."It was going to be," Dorothy replied, " I had thought we might share it, but now I think I'll just take it back home with me.""Suit yourself," Kellie said, a slight annoyance flashing across her face as her neighbor made no effort to do so."Was there something you needed, Dorothy?" Kellie asked, drawing the curly haired blonde's attention back to her."No," she said, turning her gaze in the direction of the couch and the young woman sitting there."Fine, I'll talk to you tomorrow then, and..." Kellie said, making it clear that she wasn't going to ask her neighbor to stay."Actually, now that I think of it, there is something that I need," Dorothy interrupted. "The batteries on my ... my remote died on me last night and I was wondering if you might have a couple that you could spare."Your remote?" Kellie repeated.https://hotmyfreecams.com"Yeah, you know I like to turn down the volume when the commercials come on," she added. "My favorite show is on later and I really don't enjoy it as much if I have to listen to them.""Alright," Kellie said, agreeing to anything that would send her on her way, "I should have some batteries in the kitchen drawer. What do you need, AA or 9 Volt?""Actually, I need a couple of C batteries," Dorothy replied, her voice dropping so that only Kellie could hear her.That confused Kellie for a moment; then she realized that it wasn't the TV remote that Dorothy needed fresh batteries for. There weren't many things that used that size battery, but knowing Dorothy, it wasn't hard to guess which of those she needed them for."I think I have some," Kellie said. "Will two be enough?""Two will definitely get the job done," Dorothy said with a broad smile.As Kellie excused herself for a moment to get the batteries, Dorothy turned her attention again to Gina, this time not bothering to hide her resentment, causing the younger woman to wonder what she could have done to incur it."Here you go," Kellie said as she came out of the kitchen and handed an unopened package to Dorothy, adding in a lower voice, "Enjoy ... enjoy your program.""Thank you," Dorothy replied, "and you have a good evening too." she added, again with a noticeable lack of sincerity.With that, she stepped through the door which Kellie had opened and out into the hallway.Kellie took a deep breath once she'd closed the door, then turned back to rejoin Gina.-=-=-=--=-=-=-"Now, you wanted to watch a movie, right?" Kellie asked as she settled down on the empty side of the couch."Your neighbor seems nice," Gina said, opting to ignore the negative reaction she'd displayed toward her. "Have the two of you known each other long?""About five years," Kellie answered, "Dorothy already lived in the building when I moved in.""I got the impression that she was hoping to be asked to stay," Gina noted. "I really wouldn't have minded if she had.""Oh, trust me, ten minutes from now, you would have," Kellie replied. "Dorothy is really a dear, and she can be a lot of fun, but she also likes to be the center of attention. Once she got to talking, you'd have never gotten a word in edgewise.""I guess you know best," Gina conceded."Besides, despite the circumstances, I was hoping tonight would be a chance for you and me to become better friends," Kellie added."I'd like that," Gina replied, realizing that she was actually happy at how the night had turned out."But before we put on a movie, why don't we get ready for bed first?" Kellie suggested. "That way we get good and comfortable while we watch it.""That's a good idea," Gina agreed, "but I don't even have so much as a spare toothbrush in my bag.""Not a problem," Kellie replied with a warm smile. "If you look in the cabinet under the bathroom sink, you'll find an extra toothbrush, plus, if you give me a few minutes, I think I have something you can wear to bed.""Fantastic," Gina smiled.Gina waited a few moments as Kellie headed for the bedroom, then turned in the direction of the bathroom. Sure enough, there on the bottom shelf was a tall ceramic cup filled with a couple of individually wrapped toothbrushes, each with a tiny travel sized tube of Crest. Right next to them was a small stack of paper Dixie cups, each also covered in plastic. As she ripped one open and began to brush her teeth, Gina wondered how often Kellie had unexpected overnight guests, that she felt the need to store little kits like these for. 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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) You can't Fix Stupid. And this Stupid display may bite them in the ass. https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-investigating-protesters-confrontation-armed-213607583.html Police Investigating Protesters after Confrontation with Armed St. Louis Homeowners The Poster People of the Gun Movement !! LOL Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood outside their home on Portland Place His finger off the trigger. Hers is on the trigger. So What was do threatening to this White Bread couple? File charges, make them go to court and 6 months of Counseling Edited July 1, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: You can't Fix Stupid. And this Stupid display may bite them in the ass. https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-investigating-protesters-confrontation-armed-213607583.html Police Investigating Protesters after Confrontation with Armed St. Louis Homeowners The Poster People of the Gun Movement !! LOL Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood outside their home on Portland Place His finger off the trigger. Hers is on the trigger. So What was Threatening these White Bread couple? File charges, make them go to court ans 6 months of Counseling Did it hurt when you removed your penis ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: You can't Fix Stupid. And this Stupid display may bite them in the ass. https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-investigating-protesters-confrontation-armed-213607583.html Police Investigating Protesters after Confrontation with Armed St. Louis Homeowners The Poster People of the Gun Movement !! LOL Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood outside their home on Portland Place His finger off the trigger. Hers is on the trigger. So What was Threatening these White Bread couple? File charges, make them go to court ans 6 months of Counseling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Right out of the Trump Hand Book for Dummies A white St. Louis lawyer who quickly rose to internet fame this week after he pulled an AR-15 on Black Lives Matter protesters marching near his house told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson on Tuesday night he couldn’t possibly be racist because his Black clients love him. https://www.yahoo.com/news/gun-toting-st-louis-lawyer-021141109.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: You can't Fix Stupid. And this Stupid display may bite them in the ass. https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-investigating-protesters-confrontation-armed-213607583.html Police Investigating Protesters after Confrontation with Armed St. Louis Homeowners The Poster People of the Gun Movement !! LOL Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood outside their home on Portland Place His finger off the trigger. Hers is on the trigger. So What was do threatening to this White Bread couple? File charges, make them go to court and 6 months of Counseling 1. The 'protestors' were trespassing on private property 2. They were warned as much, and responded with threats of violence and threats of burning down the couple's house 3. Both of them really need to take a safety course for their own sake 4. My understanding is that, because the 'protestors' were on their private property, the local law saw it as no different than if they were inside the couple's house 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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