BeginnersMind Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 19 hours ago, Figster said: By wrong hands I mean stolen. The FBI Database (in 2016) suggested over 2 million firearms were lost or stolen in the US over the last decade and a high number of them are used to commit more violent crimes. But interestingly, not shootings like the ones last week. Illegal weapons are used are more on the gang/street crime violence side. Making it harder to get weapons used last week and in other notable mass shootings in the last decade would probably end some of those flavor of shootings. It's just a way to address one issue. 18 hours ago, keepthefaith said: Very complicated issue. Constitutional rights, states rights, federal jurisdiction over some of it and very few facts in the public debate. The issue or the challenge of reducing these incidents deserves a thorough look and if we can come up with some new rules that will help reduce gun crimes while not impeding the rights of citizens then those changes should be determined, supported by good data and implemented. Columbine was in 1999. Sandy Hook was in 2012. Is 20 years enough time to take meaningful action? 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Good guy with a gun, lucky that guy was carrying... https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/nut-with-tactical-rifle-body-armor-sparks-chaos-at-missouri-walmart/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Leader Pelosi knows she has the vast majority of the people behind her. Republicans are fighting for their corrupt (NRA) special interests She said in a letter sent Thursday: I am writing in good faith to request that you call the United States Senate back into session immediately under your powers in Article II Section 3 of the Constitution to consider House-passed bipartisan gun violence prevention legislation. One of the first acts of the new Congress was to pass the Bipartisan Background Checks Act (H.R. ? and the Enhanced Background Checks Act (H.R. 1112). H.R. 8 simply expands the existing background checks law to include guns sold at gun shows, online and through person-to-person sales. Commonsense background checks are supported by more than 90 percent of the American people and are proven to save lives. H.R. 8 was so named because it was passed eight years after the deadly attack on Congresswoman Gabby Giffords that stole six lives. The House also passed H.R. 1112, closing the dangerous Charleston loophole that enabled the tragic hate crime at Mother Emanuel Church that killed nine devout parishioners engaged in worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: But interestingly, not shootings like the ones last week. Illegal weapons are used are more on the gang/street crime violence side. Making it harder to get weapons used last week and in other notable mass shootings in the last decade would probably end some of those flavor of shootings. It's just a way to address one issue. Columbine was in 1999. Sandy Hook was in 2012. Is 20 years enough time to take meaningful action? 7? Waco was in 1993. Edmond was in 1986. San Ysidro was in 1984. Kent State was in 1970. University of Texas was in 1966. Camden was in 1949. Winfield was in 1903. Is 116 years enough time to take meaningful action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jrober38 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 5 hours ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Good guy with a gun, lucky that guy was carrying... https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/nut-with-tactical-rifle-body-armor-sparks-chaos-at-missouri-walmart/ What a weird story. He obviously wasn't in the store, but thank goodness he was stopped. I think the issue remains though, that laws have to change to keep guns out of these lunatics hands in the first place. 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The entire developed world has essentially turned in their guns and are doing just fine. This is such over the top fear mongering it's outrageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The entire developed world has essentially turned in their guns and are doing just fine. This is such over the top fear mongering it's outrageous. We literally just witnessed a backdoor coup attempt by elements of our intelligence services. France has been rioting against EU tyranny for almost a full calendar year. Hong Kong is in open revolt To think tyranny of the state isn't a modern concern is to be living with your head in the sand. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: We literally just witnessed a backdoor coup attempt by elements of our intelligence services. France has been rioting against EU tyranny for almost a full calendar year. Hong Kong is in open revolt To think tyranny of the state isn't a modern concern is to be living with your head in the sand. China isn't part of the developed western world. They're a communist country with a totalitarian regime. Everyone else in the developed western world has severe restrictions on guns and is doing totally fine. There's actually an index that ranks how "free" each country in the world is. The USA is currently ranked 42nd in the world. Countries with severe gun restrictions make up the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: China isn't part of the developed western world. They're a communist country with a totalitarian regime. Everyone else in the developed western world has severe restrictions on guns and is doing totally fine. There's actually an index that ranks how "free" each country in the world is. The USA is currently ranked 42nd in the world. Countries with severe gun restrictions make up the top 10. We just lived through a coup attempt by our own federal government. France is in open rebellion against tyranny of the state (the EU specifically) We have politicians running for POTUS today calling half the country dangerous deplorables To pretend that there is no longer tyranny of the state is to live with your head in the sand. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The USA is currently ranked 42nd in the world. Or 10th, or 19th. Hell, I just saw a list that had Hong Kong listed #1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: There's actually an index that ranks how "free" each country in the world is. The USA is currently ranked 42nd in the world. Countries with severe gun restrictions make up the top 10. So let me get this straight: You believe the USA is currently ranked as the 42nd most 'free' country in the world, and your idea on how to make it more free is to take everyone's guns? That's the dumbest effin' thing I've read here all month, and that included a week where people were quoting Qbaby posts. We're keeping the guns, whether you like it or not. Whine, cry or stomp your feet...we're keeping our guns. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: China isn't part of the developed western world. They're a communist country with a totalitarian regime. Everyone else in the developed western world has severe restrictions on guns and is doing totally fine. There's actually an index that ranks how "free" each country in the world is. The USA is currently ranked 42nd in the world. Countries with severe gun restrictions make up the top 10. Hong Kong is a developed corner that does not want to be controlled by a totalitarian state 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: China isn't part of the developed western world. They're a communist country with a totalitarian regime. Everyone else in the developed western world has severe restrictions on guns and is doing totally fine. There's actually an index that ranks how "free" each country in the world is. The USA is currently ranked 42nd in the world. Countries with severe gun restrictions make up the top 10. You propose to make America more free by stripping citizens of additional protections of their rights? Also, I’d love to see the weighting and metrics of that index. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: China isn't part of the developed western world. They're a communist country with a totalitarian regime. Everyone else in the developed western world has severe restrictions on guns and is doing totally fine. There's actually an index that ranks how "free" each country in the world is. The USA is currently ranked 42nd in the world. Countries with severe gun restrictions make up the top 10. The “rest of the world” arguments on guns, health care, taxes, etc...hold no water for me. Don’t think they hold much for most people either. As my parents used to say, “Well, if your friends all jumped off a bridge would you do that too?” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, dubs said: The “rest of the world” arguments on guns, health care, taxes, etc...hold no water for me. Don’t think they hold much for most people either. As my parents used to say, “Well, if your friends all jumped off a bridge would you do that too?” jrober is a Canadian. Generally speaking they're ok to discuss football or hockey with but it's a rare Canadian that has any real knowledge of politics. They live in a nanny state where everything is actually done for them. We even protect them and they look to us as their daddy. What little rugged individualism they may have once had has been surrendered for "free" healthcare and a barcalounger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: jrober is a Canadian. Generally speaking they're ok to discuss football or hockey with but it's a rare Canadian that has any real knowledge of politics. They live in a nanny state where everything is actually done for them. We even protect them and they look to us as their daddy. What little rugged individualism they may have once had has been surrendered for "free" healthcare and a barcalounger. Is it a really nice Barcalounger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Is it a really nice Barcalounger? Yes, by Canadian standards. Edited August 9, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Rather than asking No Guns or More Guns, I'm asking myself X95 Tavor or PS90 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Rather than asking No Guns or More Guns, I'm asking myself X95 Tavor or PS90 Yes, I realize that I just used this meme yesterday. Get over it. Edited August 10, 2019 by Koko78 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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