CountryCletus Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Lets make a friendly bet... Loser admits they were wrong on here... I will give oh 175 for the line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJallDAY Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 My buddy is a giants fan.. today said he's not watching anymore games this year/ not buying anymore merchandise.. total fair weather fan.. all I'm sayin is you know every bills fan is a real fan because if your still here after 13yrs of nothin youre either committed to the team, or just insane haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 As CJallDay said - we are all true fans on this site...some a bit more realistic/pessimistic/optimistic than others... what is true for all is that we hurt inside...we have to tell our kids what is was like to have a winning team...My children are 10 and 11 and they wonder why I cheer for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Lets make a friendly bet... Loser admits they were wrong on here... I will give oh 175 for the line! ill take the over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 You have a deal cletus...I get to subtract sack yardage but not penalty yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If you get that, I get return yardage!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 No you don't sacks count against total offense...it is like a negative running play...return yards are special teams... And it doesn't help the Sabres suck too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Hahaha... I'm good with our deal... Total yards vs total yards... No push... I will give you 175 if it hits right on! (But it won't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Hahaha... I'm good with our deal... Total yards vs total yards... No push... I will give you 175 if it hits right on! (But it won't) i take over 200 yards offense. Hell, I'll take over 150 passing alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 i take over 200 yards offense. Hell, I'll take over 150 passing alone Ummmm... I wi take the over on 200 rushing, 350 passing.... Wait a second.... Maybe I won't.... I agree 100% with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 well. That's your argument. Mine is that any NFL caliber QB can manage a game. That's why they are in the NFL in the first place. Our defense is playing lights out and so is our running game. Yiu say EJ will be out 4-8 weeks. I think he's out only 3 games considering today u til Thursday counts as week 1 of his injury and he has t missed any games yet. IF.... Huge IF... Whoever is our QB can go .500 (not impossible considering the way the defense is playing and they get Gilmore and Byrd back this week) then we still have a shot. Like someone else already posted, if your already giving up on the season after just 5 weeks.... Why bother? Guess well see you in April. Am I right? The difference in our view is you are saying that Tuel/White/whomever is an "NFL" QB. I don't think they are. I am not "giving up on the season after 5 weeks". I will still watch and hope to see development in some areas of the team. I just don't expect any real shot at winning games until EJ is back. That doesn't make me some kind of turn-coat or fair weather fan. I think it just makes me realistic. Maybe you are right, but I think that the offense will be completely shut down by the Bengals. They will take the run game away and force Tuel to try to beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The difference in our view is you are saying that Tuel/White/whomever is an "NFL" QB. I don't think they are. I am not "giving up on the season after 5 weeks". I will still watch and hope to see development in some areas of the team. I just don't expect any real shot at winning games until EJ is back. That doesn't make me some kind of turn-coat or fair weather fan. I think it just makes me realistic. Maybe you are right, but I think that the offense will be completely shut down by the Bengals. They will take the run game away and force Tuel to try to beat them. Food for thought -- EJ did not play great against the Ravens and the Bills still ran the ball well. EJ did not play great against the Browns and the Bills still ran the ball well. This running game is effective, and the Bills have enough good receivers (SJ, Woods, Chandler) to keep a defense honest. Pat White, I would argue, gives them a much better chance to win with his mobility (and decent arm) than Jeff Tuel and his deer-in-the-headlights approach. The Buffalo defense is getting better and healthier, and Cinci's offense has been anything but explosive. Their defense is for real, but so have been the Jets, Ravens, and Browns defenses. The Bills are 1-2 in those three games but they were right in the thick of all of them. Buffalo is one stinking game out of a wild card spot right now, with a defense and running game that are playoff caliber. It is ridiculous to be giving up on the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 While I hope that you are right, eball I am just not seeing it. There is a big difference (IMHO) between having the threat of a passing game that defenses must respect and having Tuel/white in. Unless one of them shows that they can complete passes, I don't expect room for the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Having problems quoting, so I apologize for Badolbeelz for not responding sooner: I know the Bills are a product, which of course is another reason to remember that following them is a choice. If I don't like Weber's mustard, I stop buying it; I don't stand in the supermarket aisles complaining about it to everyone who walks by, or try to find joy in telling people who still like it how dumb they are. I also know that this particular product is related to where I grew up, so I feel an emotional tie. An irrational tie to a uniform and a helmet that is disconnected from any personal connection to either the millionaires who pay for them or the younger millionaires who wear them. I choose to maintain and celebrate that irrational tie. The key word there is choice. I know what good football looks like, and bad football, and I appreciate solid analysis of the good and the bad. I also know that my actual ability to change what they team does is very limited, no matter how many posts I write. If this didn't make me happy, I would choose to do something else. So I choose to hope, especially about a young team with rising talent. I do not claim to "sh*t rainbows" but am amazed that people think that it is better to let go an unending stream of bile. That's a choice too. Embrace it if you like, but don't pretend it makes you more rational than someone standing in front of Wegman's buttonholing people about the crappy mustard they sell. In the end, be a fan any way that you like. Enjoy the toy department of life in your own way. If it were up to me, I would save the outrage for things that actually matter, but I also know the psychological, cathartic benefits of getting worked up over artificial crises. I hope that being a Bills fan brings you some joy, sometime. Hell, I hope we all will have things to celebrate in the future. And when that happens, I doubt we will be worrying about whether the front office managed to sign Josh Freeman. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 All we hve to do I win some games that people expect us to lose (you know....like the Ravens game) and we are right back in it - Even with the loss of EJ for 3-4 weeks the team is getting healthier.....our D should be very stout No way im throwing up the white flag 5 games into the season That is all I guess you haven't been a Bills fan as long as I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 While I hope that you are right, eball I am just not seeing it. There is a big difference (IMHO) between having the threat of a passing game that defenses must respect and having Tuel/white in. Unless one of them shows that they can complete passes, I don't expect room for the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 All we hve to do I win some games that people expect us to lose (you know....like the Ravens game) and we are right back in it - Even with the loss of EJ for 3-4 weeks the team is getting healthier.....our D should be very stout No way im throwing up the white flag 5 games into the season That is all There's no way this team makes the playoffs with or without Manuel. They just don't have the depth. I thought coming into the season, they were a 5 win team. But after seeing them perform on offense, with the potential of getting much better, and actually having a defensive philosophy, I was pleasantly surprised and I can see up to 7 wins. But I am much more optimistic about the future of the Bills than I have been in many years. They have some very good players in place. A couple key FA additions and a good draft and this team is playoff bound next season. The new coaching staff will learn a lot from this season, the young players will learn a lot this season, but they are still not there....yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Food for thought -- EJ did not play great against the Ravens and the Bills still ran the ball well. EJ did not play great against the Browns and the Bills still ran the ball well. This running game is effective, and the Bills have enough good receivers (SJ, Woods, Chandler) to keep a defense honest. Pat White, I would argue, gives them a much better chance to win with his mobility (and decent arm) than Jeff Tuel and his deer-in-the-headlights approach. The Buffalo defense is getting better and healthier, and Cinci's offense has been anything but explosive. Their defense is for real, but so have been the Jets, Ravens, and Browns defenses. The Bills are 1-2 in those three games but they were right in the thick of all of them. Buffalo is one stinking game out of a wild card spot right now, with a defense and running game that are playoff caliber. It is ridiculous to be giving up on the season. now that we know Thad Lewis is starting I actually feel even better. Your right EBall. Just like I said, the defense is going to be healthiest they've been all year going into these games while EJ is out. I know the reports are EJ is out anywhere from 4-8 weeks but I think he misses 4 games at most. Possibly only 3. Didnt Freddy just play on a similar injury? Of course there's different levels of injury but in thinking its more precaution than anything that yiu don't want to make it worse for your future franchise QB. Regardless of what Cincy does on defense this team should be able to run the ball. They've shown that ability all year and against better defenses in the Jers, Ravens, and Browns. Regardless of who starts at QB (Lewis, Tuel, White, Dixon) they are all NFL QBs. That part is not arguable. They are in the league. It's about as silly as calling Stevie "not a number 1" when in fact he IS OUR number 1. And because of the fact that they are all NFL QBs they can make throws. They can play. Are we to believe they won't pass for 25 yards all game? That would just be ridiculous. It's almost Harder to not throw for at least 100 than it would be to throw for 450. As it stands, Lewis is the starter this week and he's got the most experience in this team with our without White. He actually knows the playbook and has started a game in the past. He put up 200+ yards, had a TD, and an Int. if that's the case this week against the Bengals, ill take that all day and think we get a win. That's game management at its finest. Let the defense do what it does and not lose the game from your QB. Edited October 7, 2013 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Having problems quoting, so I apologize for Badolbeelz for not responding sooner: I know the Bills are a product, which of course is another reason to remember that following them is a choice. If I don't like Weber's mustard, I stop buying it; I don't stand in the supermarket aisles complaining about it to everyone who walks by, or try to find joy in telling people who still like it how dumb they are. I also know that this particular product is related to where I grew up, so I feel an emotional tie. An irrational tie to a uniform and a helmet that is disconnected from any personal connection to either the millionaires who pay for them or the younger millionaires who wear them. I choose to maintain and celebrate that irrational tie. The key word there is choice. I know what good football looks like, and bad football, and I appreciate solid analysis of the good and the bad. I also know that my actual ability to change what they team does is very limited, no matter how many posts I write. If this didn't make me happy, I would choose to do something else. So I choose to hope, especially about a young team with rising talent. I do not claim to "sh*t rainbows" but am amazed that people think that it is better to let go an unending stream of bile. That's a choice too. Embrace it if you like, but don't pretend it makes you more rational than someone standing in front of Wegman's buttonholing people about the crappy mustard they sell. In the end, be a fan any way that you like. Enjoy the toy department of life in your own way. If it were up to me, I would save the outrage for things that actually matter, but I also know the psychological, cathartic benefits of getting worked up over artificial crises. I hope that being a Bills fan brings you some joy, sometime. Hell, I hope we all will have things to celebrate in the future. And when that happens, I doubt we will be worrying about whether the front office managed to sign Josh Freeman. Go Bills! This isn't a choice of mustards...........it's all or nothing. If Bills fans stop buying the product because it sucks then the team leaves and there is no local team to follow. I explained this quite clearly.......the Bills are the only choice in town for this product. A competitive NFL franchise is in high demand by this market. By nature the long term success of this product relies upon both sides of the equation holding up their end of the bargain. Eventually......if the owner doesn't put a winner on the field......the fans will stop showing. We are already seeing it this year. The Bills had another celebrated re-start this year.....something that usually brings the fans back in droves..........but it is not happening. They didn't even sell out the second home game of the year......they simply waived the blackout. So yeah......you are getting your wish......the people are speaking with their wallets and that is very bad news for sheep like yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 sheep like yourself. Nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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