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Seems like the LB's who get all the attention are the ones that get the sacks. #58 has cover responsibilities along with blitzing and stopping the run. He's complete.
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16 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Beasley was available most of the year. To anyone.
And finally we didn't call him, he called us. Humbly. Demand isn't
overwhelming for the guy. Might have been a few years ago, but not now.
No, no he wasn't. To be "available" to anyone you as a player must be willing to go there.
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21 hours ago, Flipnmi said:
This move is really puzzling to me. As others have said, Beasley could have been called up for any or all of the playoff games without any roster moves being required, so the McKenzie injury can't be the primary reason for the move. Beas also stated when he resigned that this was where he really wanted to be and as such he could refuse any offer to go to another team's 53 to stay here. He would get a pay bump to the vet minimum for the games where he was called up, so the only plausible scenario I can see is that another team tried to sign him to something above the vet min and the Bills decided to do him a solid and match the other offer. That said, the idea of going to a new team and new system just before a playoff run also seems pretty remote, unless that team happened to be the Giants and the Daboll offense. This move also complicates what might be done to open a slot on the 53 for Crowder if and when he's ready to go, since Murray seemed to be the most obvious cut available. We'll likely never know, but there must be more to this move than we can see.
Some misconceptions that need to be addressed:
Beasley played in the playoffs 2 years ago with a broken leg.
Last year Beasley battled injuries and even though his catches for the season were the same as the previous year (82) his yards per catch were way down. My speculation on the reduced yards is that in order to protect himself from further injury he didn't try to gain extra yardage after reaching "the line to gain". His efforts were focused on doing what was right for the team.
Beasley, as a slot receiver needed to be in complete sync with Allen. Although Cole occasionally would be targeted with deeper passes they most likely were to exploit an obvious weakness in the defense or just intended to loosen up that defense. Anyway, the point here is that Beasley was used as the primary target to pick up that 3rd and seven. Contrary to what some people believe here #11 was rarely an outlet but the primary option when the Bills needed that short to medium reception to keep the chains moving. Those 7 yard passes require perfect timing between the QB and slot receiver.
Not to get too deep as to what happened earlier this year in Tampa but Cole was only on their Practice Squad and got called up twice to play in games. I can only imagine that he and Brady got very little time to work on timing in practice. Tom embarrassed Beasley during a game by shouting at him and making gestures as if Beasley screwed up on a missed pass read.
I doubt that at this time of the season that Cole would have accepted being signed by any team other than the Bills. He is well aware of the sheer volume of work and practice that a QB and his slot receiver need to get on the same page.
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11 minutes ago, Gugny said:
I'll take, "Things That Have Nothing to Do With Each Other" for $2000, Ken.
Like your Mets avatar on a football board?
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Promoting Coordinators to Head Coach positions based on their success on one side of the ball is the likely definition of The Peter Principle. The Head Coach is an executive. Coordinators lean more towards being technocrats and have not generally proven that they have the leadership and executive skills to be a Head Coach.
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18 minutes ago, Gugny said:
Six years and not even one trip to the Super Bowl?
Better than the Mets 7+ years of not making the World Series.
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1 hour ago, klos63 said:
Periphery issues? No these are issues that people are using to promote McD for coach of the year. To use the play by play announcer having a stroke is absurd. I think McD should be in the COY conversation for many reasons, but not that one for sure.
Then why argue against those periphery issues and not mention what you think are the legitimate issues?
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34 minutes ago, klos63 said:
I guess my point is, why? Why is the Top shooting a Bills adversity? What has he done that warrants COY after Murphy's stroke? Do we take into account other cities tough times in determining if their coach should win the award. The Steelers delivered toys today to Hamlins charity in Pitt, does Tomlin get COY votes for that?
maybe the correct spelling of her name made you not recognize it.
For some odd reason you are taking the periphery issues that were mentioned earlier and placing them firmly next to you on the molehills you are choosing to die on. The Bills went through plenty of legitimate adversity with injuries to key players and scheduling issues along with the on field issue of a player temporarily dying in a game. Using the gesture that the Steeler's did when delivering toys to Hamlin's daycare center is just another example of you going to the most ridiculous example to make a point. Tomlin knows Hamlin and your example means nothing in this discussion.
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1 minute ago, klos63 said:
Come on, I know everyone in the community cares about the victims in the Tops shooting, but why single out McDermott for national recognition. Every business in the city then did the same thing, right. Should every business owner be lauded for getting through that incident? Should Granato also get coach of the year? Do we compare what happened in other cities for other coaches? I mean, how many cities don't have mass shootings?
McDermott would be singled out for guiding his team through many instances of adversity, not just the one you are cherry picking here. You are shortcutting your argument to the extent that you are causing that argument to be less than what it could be.
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Buffalo is part of the Mid-Atlantic geographically.
The Bills had the #1 seed which included homefield advantage and a bye under their complete control prior to the Bengals game. They now need help from the Raiders in order to obtain that. Once the horrible on field injury occurred to Hamlin there was no solution to playoff seeding that would be totally fair to Cincinnati, KC and Buffalo. If any team has cause to B word about the unfairness of the NFL's solution it would be the Bills but it simply is what it is and time for the crybabies to STFU.
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12 hours ago, klos63 said:
I think McDermott is a great coach, but why does he get credit/votes for John Murphy having a stroke or some racist shooting up Tops? It snowed in Chicago a couple days before our game, why is that a feather in McD's cap?
McDermott is not getting props for someone having a stroke, snowstorms, a racist shooting or a player being brought back to life on the playing field. Any credit that he gets will be for guiding his team through trying times which include not only the aforementioned but other challenges.
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3 hours ago, May Day 10 said:
Im kind of torn on McDaniel. X's and O's he seems like a savant. However, his general demeanor seems like he will have trouble getting grown alpha-males who are physically at the top of our species to follow him and go to the mat for him. He will get players to buy in when things are going well, but I can see things turning on him bad in tough times. I also think he was boorish in dealing with the Tua injuries and players pick up on that.
IMO Payton is a bit overrated, although I would be frothing at the mouth for Ralph to open the checkbook for him if this were 2008. Brady could probably make that offense work, but that machine is a Hill or Waddle injury away from being shut right down.
The Head Coach's job is not a necessary prerequisite to be the ultimate X's and O's guy. It's to be a leader so the players and coaches under him can have faith and confidence in the kinds of decisions as the Tua concussions and on field decisions McDermott and Taylor needed to force on last Monday. Of course other attributes are important for a HC to have but being a great coordinator means nothing without great leadership qualities.
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20 hours ago, Airseven said:
What is the basis of your expectation that an NFL player can return to the field 3-4 months after neck/disk surgery? I stated an obvious fact in response to the question posed herein (it’s just a messagebord after all). You’re reaching and so I’m curious.WTF are you talking about?
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27 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Good Lord the fantasy world you live in. My facts lack context? Facts are Cole showed he could no longer survive a full season and while he didn't miss games, his production suffered badly.
I don't need an opinion on whether his play was declining, the facts show it to be the case. And you say this, while not providing an opinion yourself. Hmm, seems a bit hypocritical if you ask me(Now there's my 1st stated opinion) It's not hard to grasp, you could clearly see it in his play in the final 11 games of last year and in his production. You keep wanting this discussion to go somewhere other than football play, seems 9dd yoy keep tryingto steer it that way, don't it? So who's the politically motivated one here? Me, simply for stating the obvious or you, who hasn't really provided anything other than a potential rib injury that may or may not have led to his declining play, but definitely didn't affect him for 3 months.
Now that I got that said, I have some questions for you. What injury did Cole have that prevented him from playing up to his potential for 3 months? I see now you're mentionimg the possibility of multiple injuries? You're congering nothing out of thin air in an attempt to support your failing arguement it appears. Back to the potential multiple injuries, I nor anyone else seems to be aware of this. Please provide a link to this information.
As of now all we have is a rib injury. Ribs even if it's a fracture, maybe you're looking at a month, 3 months, not a chance. Herbert factured his rib cartilage, more painful than a rib fracture, this year and his play suffered for what, 3-4 weeks before his play returned to where it was before he was injured. When did Cole's play return back to it's pre-November status? It's been 14 months and it still hasn't.
if his level of play was still there he would have more than 2 catches for 18 yards in his 1st 2 games back, offense is mostly the same plays that were run last year and he already said he was playing basketball regularly and that basketball keeps him in shape better than football. Allen and him had a strong connection and were always on the same page when he was here before. Seems like he'd be the perfect plug and play candidate.
How about this year, what has Cole done this season, surely he had to be healthy by September. He couldn't even get enough practice time with Brady on a team that was/is dying for WR help. Seems as though you are the who had chosen a strange hill to die on, no? The FACTS support what I said, all you have is a potential rib injury that took far longer to heal for Cole than other players in football and some insinuations.
I'll even end this with giving you my opinion on this, I don't want the back half of the 2021 football player Cole Beasley, imo he's not an improvement to what we already have and our offense is statically better in every area on offense this year over last. Last year Cole had his worst ypc average & worst td output since his rookie year, even though he had a cereet high in targets with 112, his rookie year his number of targets was only 24. But if Cole returned and was the 2020 version or the 1st half of last year Cole Beasley, sign me up in a second, that player I want. He would be able to help us get a Super Bowl title this year, but since October turned to November last year, that hasn't been him, he's only been a jag.
You can reply, but I'm done with your insinuation based arguement, while providing little else to discuss of play on the field. You seem more interested in your play on the off the field stuff. I come on here to get away from that nonsense, not to hear more of it. Good day sir.
You need help. Seriously, you need help.
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10 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
He had 423 yards in his first 7 games, a 60.5 yard per game average. His last 9 games he had only 270 yards, a 30 yard per game average. That's over a 50% drop in yards per game.
Stop with the my comments make it seem like my opinions are based off of something other than his play on the field. I'm not making this political at all, it's funny you suddenly are. I never offered an opinion on anything, only stated facts. I originally said Once October ended Cole stopped having Cole type games. He was below average after that. That's not an opinion, it's fact. You reply with He had 82 catches last year, no other context.
Number of catches don't tell you anything. Here's another fact he had 82 catches the year before too. Except he had 967 yards, 11.8 ypc, 4 tds & 54 1st downs vs 2021's 82 catches for 693 yards, 8.5 ypc, 1 td & 35 1st downs. There's a big difference in those 2 82 catch years, no? Last year was his lowest ypc average(Tied) and lowest td output since his rookie year when he had only 24 targets. He had 112 targets last year. All facts, not opinions, not at all political!!!!
So Beasley once injured, struggled to put up the same type of numbers that he had when he was injury free? Thank you for confirming my premise regarding Cole. In most reasonable people's minds a player with an injury or multiple injuries is not going to have stats as good as when he was not injured. You've chosen a strange hill to die on You have stated a lot of facts but they do nothing to support any conclusions other than once Beasley was injured last year his production dropped. If a player is injured he is not automatically washed up or suffering from some kind of permanent decline in his abilities. Following your logic I could make the case that Tre White and Von Miller are so ineffective that their production dropped to "0" once they were injured. My facts say that they are not doing a damn thing but I think a little context would shed a better light on the subject. Facts are a good basis for supporting a position but if those facts are not pertinent to the subject then they do nothing but confuse the issue.
You ended your last post that I quoted here as stating that your response was all facts, not opinions and not at all political. So, you have no opinions about your facts that lack context and your insinuation that I am making your non existent opinions political is somewhat pertinent to this discussion?
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46 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
For 3 months? Come on now, I don't doubt he could've been injured late in October, but he was a shell of himself right through the end of January. What was this injury that lingered for 60% of the year. There's talk Hyde might be back in 3 months and he had spinal fusion. I don't buy an injury made him play like that for that time. That's wishful thinking there John.
That wasn't my argument. I acknowledged he had a good 1st half of the year. Pay attention!!
82 catches is a great amount for the whole year. He didn't all of a sudden have a big drop off mid season but he did struggle with injuries and his yards per catch was down from previous years. My guess is that he went down before getting hit to avoid further injury. Regardless, knock off the comments like pay attention as if I'm your 4th grade student. Furthermore, when you can't make your case without twisting your comments into a pretzel then you make other people think that your opinions regarding Beasley are based on something other than his play on the field.
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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Third I’m not trying to pick a fight here but didn’t that happened at the beginning of the year what has he been doing all year that would be football related
I'm not trying to pick a fight either but you stated above that "Now he hasn’t been doing football activity all year but is healthy". I believe that when the Bills decided to pick up WR's late in the year and put them on the practice squad that familiarity with the system & terminology was important for them. Being in top football shape wasn't needed as Brown & Beasley aren't going to be on the field the whole game.
6 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:Once October ended last year, so did Cole having Cole type games. He was below average after that.
The beginning of November is not the end of the season and 2021 proved to be his final complete year. Last year's 1st half of the season Cole Beasley looked far different than 2nd half of the season Cole Beasley. I'm glad we didn't bring him back for the whole year, I don't think he would've made it the whole year, but equally as glad they brought him back for the final stretch of the year. A no lose situation for both.
He still had 82 catches last year.
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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
What football activity has Cole been doing all year? I hear that he’s been playing basketball, but that doesn’t equate to being ready for football shape
He spent time on the Bucs practice squad and was activated for two games. He left them because he felt he wasn't getting enough practice time with Brady to get on the same page with routes.
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13 minutes ago, Airseven said:
Alas wishful thinking is time wasted.Pulling statements out of nowhere that aren't substantiated or at least explained is time wasted. The idea is to discuss a point here rather than do the least work via of a drive-by comment.
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12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
To be clear cole was not washed up whenever he left and the numbers reflect that
He was beat up, just like he is at the end of every season
Now he hasn’t been doing football activity all year but is healthy
If they’re going to use them, though, I wish that they would actually use him
Yes he has. My guess is that the offensive game plan due to the weather in the last two games didn't provide a lot of opportunities to use them.
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2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
The offense missed having a reliable slot WR badly. Davis has been a mid-level WR2 and Crowder was supposed to platoon with Mac at the slot but Crowder got hurt and Mac is more of a gadget WR4 player and Shakir has struggled predictably as a rookie. The badly need a reliable slot WR.Brining back Beasley makes sense given the context of the situation. Even if Beasley is just good for 3 catches 30 yards in a playoff game those 2-3 first downs might make the difference.
Even kicking the tires on Brown is worth a shot. But my point is having high expectations for either (esp Brown) is not smart. Both guys are a bit older for the position and have a banged up injury history and neither really stuck with a team this year for a reason even though Beasley got a decent shot with Tampa.
I like both moves these are the low risk moderate reward moves to make in season, I just don’t have high expectations.
I pretty much agree with you but don't think Beasley was getting a fair chance with the Bucs, so he left them. As I understand it, Brady gave him some crap on the field during a game because they weren't on the same page concerning a route. I'd bet that Cole as a practice player didn't get much time to work with Brady. Anyway, Bill's fans know that he can work very well with a good QB.
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2 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:
Who is Walter Peyton? 😂
Cooper's twin.
52 minutes ago, Airseven said:He’s not returning.
Do you have a justification or some kind of link for the above statement?
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2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:
The team was desperate for help at WR so they took a chance on two WR’s who haven’t played much or at all this season.The fact remains that the play calling terminology hasn't really changed under Dorsey. It's the same playbook with a few more wrinkles. Where it differs the most is the importance that is placed on different play types. Beasley had 82 catches for the Bills last year but his average per catch was down. He played through injuries and even played the previous year in the playoffs with a broken leg. He hasn't been out of the league for a year since he had time with the Bucs and now time with the Bills. It's been obvious this year that our offense has been missing Beasley's sure hands and on field awareness of the first down marker.
This reply isn't really directed at you but at the few people here who would seem to take pleasure in the chance that Cole performs poorly when called upon. It's sad when people who purport to be Bill's fans seem to want to be right rather than wish for their team's success. From what I saw in the thread here before Beasley was signed it seemed like the majority of the objections to Cole centered more on the media induced "locker room cancer" talk regarding the jab than his ability on the field.
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20 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:
I'd feel a hell of a lot better about this prediction it it included another preposition.
You spelled proposition wrong. -)
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Matt Milano - 1st Team All-Pro
in The Stadium Wall
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Both Milano and Poyer provided a sense of calm and expected superior defensive play when they were scheduled to start. They, and others were/are exactly the type of veteran players that provide the defense with the versatility that allows the Bills to disguise what they are going to do.