The Big Cat

I make $10 million a year.

But that didn't stop you. Sorry, what was I thinking? MARRONE SUCKS FIRE HIM NOW

Seriously? At zero points in his career could anyone say he "averages 8 TD'S a year"

Okay. So you're comfortable making **** up then. Okay.

...me too, but I'm not taking HIS version at face value.

Well, that's incredibly false and misleading. 11 TD's as a rookie. 3 the following year 9 the year after that 2 last year 1 this year.

we surrendered his value weeks ago

Several years? Or one and a half between 2010 and 2012?

again with your certainty of things we don't see over the things we do. we saw a guy on the bench and a guy running routes getting catches and scoring touchdowns, but you're not certain the guy playing was better. how's that? he did?

If he's not claimed by 4 pm tomorrow, he'll go to IR.

He'll go down as the greatest of all time. Barring injury, of course. I'll happily revisit this in 8 years.

Bro, this is TSW. Our coaches get blamed when a Vegas stripper zips a silent fart.

Yeah, but that was close enough to being a callable infraction, I opted not to count it. But to your other point, I'm sort of surprised it's not. It's one thing to be consistently penalized, it's another thing entirely when those penalties are consistently so high-impact.

I guess once all your points are refuted, you gotta look for other angles. So your gripe now is with personnel? But real quick: on what !@#$ing planet has the offense gotten worse? Come on, dude. The offense produces more yards and points per game in 2014. And more under Orton than under Manuel. What the !@#$ are you talking about? But as for allegedly ruining EJ, you must have been the lone Bills, nay, NFL fan who thought EJ was game-ready the moment they traded down to get him.

Two !@#$ing years running.

I said 5-8. I never said "tank." Quit it with the hyperbole ****. He would have lost two of the games Orton won. Detroit and Minnesota. Boom, there we go, moving on. Re: Bears game, they've now shown themselves to be a woefully inadequate team. Other than to serve your own point, I'm not sure how that game can be construed as a "tough game at the time." But most importantly, EJ threw for a whopping 173 yards in that game (about his average, but fewer than any Orton's had since taking over), I'm not sure he's the reason we won, but one could easily say he's the reason we won so close. Re: Dolphins game, there was no way Miami was going to win that game. That was right after the Pegula's took over, the Ralph was on fire and yet we still only scored one offensive touch down. Actually he "bounced back" the following week with an all-world 10-22 for 167 yards one TD and a two picks performance against Baltimore, albeit in a win. Oh jesus. You can't be serious with this comparison. This is a stretch, even for you. They bailed for a guy they thought gave them a better chance to win. You're going under with the band insisting that Orton doesn't.

Let alone one that results in a FIFTY yard set back. FIFTY yards. FIFTY !@#$ING YARDS.

I'm not saying Orton is some kinda great QB, but to EJ has learned nothing under him is to completely ignore a week's worth of locker room interviews immediately after the switch was made.

I fervently disagree. I've listed out all the starting QB's several times now over the past few weeks (mostly to demonstrate that the FIRE HACKETT NOW mob is a bit hasty given our deficiencies at the most important position). And that's where we apparently diverge, because I believe QB is our most severe deficiency right now. I believe that we're sitting at 8 wins (at worst) if any of the top-15 QB's were on our roster. I include among that list: Brady Rodgers Brees Luck Rivers Big Ben Flacco Wilson Romo Manning Manning Newton Dalton Stafford Ryan Yes. You've made it very clear these last few months that you'd have rather this season be a trial by fire for EJ Manuel, in spite of what the other 21 starters might be capable of. My guess: if we had never benched EJ in the first place, we'd be 5-8 and in the exact same position we are right now re: QB, with the only difference being the confidence to rule EJ out. I know that you believe keeping EJ around would have produced a different outcome, and you're welcome to be butt hurt over the Bills not having that clarity, but, oh well. We're still in the mix heading into week 15. I think that was the goal of the organization this year, whether you like it or not. And quite frankly, I'm fine with that.

Specifically which poster(s) are you targeting with these questions? Are you denying the impact that some of the calls had on the game's outcome?

Cam doesn't do himself a lot of favors and I certainly don't condone his behavior that led to the brawl in the endzone (see my assertions re: Johnson, Stevie). That said, he's regressed tremendously this year, but we'd be foolish if we didn't factor the utter black hole they have both at receiver AND running back. The man has virtually zero weapons out there. Also, regarding Moore and the 2015 QB in general: I think at this point, the goal should be to acquire a top-15 QB. Perhaps EJ could be that guy, I don't know. But a top 15 QB with this defense, and we're easily a 10-11 win team even this year with our difficult schedule. Based on the 2014 outcomes, next year's schedule should be much easier (although it rarely plays out that way).

I pretty much flipped a coin as to whether or not to count that one. It really wasn't the play that sprung him, IIRC. And compared to all the other chaos on the line during a run, it wasn't that egregious. But it was certainly an infraction. Whether or not it needed to be called seems like splitting hairs.

You're way to quick to be skeptical of the stuff we see based on the stuff we don't see. This applies to just about everything and you're not the only one.

Hell no May be Perhaps one of the strike-out guys is a future HOF'er waiting for his chance. But I don't know his name.

Point in case: the no-call on the fourth down Chandler play killed the drive. There was mid-air contact and the defender never turned around. 9/10 times, that call is made. Next drive? The completely phantom call on Robey that gave them an opportunity continue their drive. Good calls, bad calls, doesn't matter. It was TERRIBLY inconsistent.