John from Riverside
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2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I thought I had Legette ranked high as WR5 or WR6. WR4 above Brian Thomas? Wow!
Wait a second, I thought Xavier Legette was a "2nd Round guy"?
That is probably where he’s going to get taken There’s a difference between what round they go in and what I feel they should go in
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In Buffalo moss was a serious candidate. We parlayed that in to getting two touchdown returns in a game from Hines and solid special teams play the rest of the time
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31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I've made a couple of tweaks to my board based on the Combine. I think a lot of what I saw there was confirming things I'd already priced in so have left it unaffected but the things I've changed are:
- bumped Ladd McConkey up two points. He was just more explosive than I expected. You something get that with guys like him who are such smooth movers that you underestimate the explosiveness. He had a good week, moved him up two points on my grading chart;
- bumped Xavier Worthy up one point. I knew he was going to run fast but fastest ever, that deserves recognition, up one;
- bumped Troy Franklin down three. Isn't just an over reaction to the "underwear olympics" the problem for Franklin is all the things that were in the negatives column when I watched his film were exacerbated by what showed up both in the measurements and the drills and the things that were in the positives column were slightly undermined. I think I was guilty of seeing how he could be used in the Bills offense and thinking with red, white and blue specs on when originally grading him because I wanted him to be a potential weapon for us. I feel worse about every benefit of every doubt I gave him on the film post this weekend.
- Keon Coleman down one. I thought he'd run high 4.4s, maybe low 4.5s and I'd have been fine with that because I don't think speed was ever going to be his calling card. 4.64 doesn't totally rule him out of being a good NFL player but I wonder how effective he is really going to be as a deep threat outside at that speed. The lack of separation is explainable by that run. I wonder now if his best fit in the NFL is as a Big Slot.
I left Adonai Mitchell unchanged. I need to go back to the tape on him because I was baffled by the testing. Does not show up on tape. So doing the same thought exercise as @DCOrange above and ignoring the top three that leaves me with a wide receiver board of:
1. Xavier Legette (1st)
2. Brian Thomas (1st/2nd)
3. Adonai Mitchell (2nd)
4. Ladd McConkey (2nd)
5. Xavier Worthy (2nd)
6. Troy Franklin (2nd)
7. Keon Coleman (2nd)
8. Roman Wilson (2nd/3rd)
9. Javon Baker (3rd)
10. Jermaine Burton (3rd)
I feel differently on Troy Franklin, but I would be perfectly happy with Legette
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9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Let's try a little exercise shall we? Here's the first 6 recommended when I Google "Mock Draft":
https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/03/03/nfl-mock-draft-2024-post-nfl-combine
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tony-catalina-2024-nfl-mock-draft-march-3/
https://walterfootball.com/draft2024.php
Notice a pattern? Not a single one has Troy Franklin in Round 1.
As for Pre-Combine - it was less than "almost every single one". As I said, Mel Kiper didn't. Off the top of my head, Bucky Brooks didn't. There were a number of others that didn't as we'd celebrate Brian Thomas Jr. being mocked to us as the 4th WR off the board at 28 on multiple occasions.
Friendly bet
He is a first round wide receiver. If I’m wrong I’ll come on here tell everybody that you were right if he get selected in the first round you do it.
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On 2/28/2024 at 5:35 AM, Doc said:
I know that bipartisan means. There is no need for bipartisanship when Joke is the only one who created this crisis and is the only one needed to fix it, or at least make it better. Again needing to deal to stop the flow of illegals into the country means you don't want to do it unless you're given something in return.
Biden was trying to get immigration reform not executive orders from the president that could be reversed by the next president
An actual bill pled into law agreed on both sides
Just take it for what it is the Republicans don’t want to work with the Democrats on anything they can’t afford to. They’re already looking like ***** as it is.
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36 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
First off, he was not a consensus 1st Round Pick anywhere but on this board.
Many prognosticators listed him as a 2nd Round guy. Mel Kiper for example didn't even have him in his Top 10 WR's in his last ranking.
Those that did have him rated high had him there because he had "elite" speed around 4.30 or less and was 6'3". And although he had a small frame, he was still 193 lbs.
In all actuality, he is not 6'3". He's 6'1". He's not 193, he's 175. And the 4.3 or less guy was actually a 4.41 guy, ranking 10th amongst WRs and slower than guys he was expected to be faster than. Including a 1.61 10 yard split, ranking DEAD LAST amongst all WR's. Worrisome when one of his concerns already was creating separation at the line.
You might not think that's a big deal, but it IS a big deal. That's something that drops you. Or in this case, confirms he's much closer to the 2nd Round Pick that many had him as then the 1st Rounder everyone around here did.
Especially when you combine those numbers not matching expectations with a poor on field performance. One that had Daniel Jeremiah calling him out on Television.
The "Underwear Olympics", as you put it, raises and drops players every single year. If it didn't matter at all, they wouldn't do it. Measurements matter greatly on stock. Especially when they don't match what you're listed and expected to be. Doubly so when you underperform in drills.
You don’t follow mock drafts?
He was literally a first round, pick and almost every single one
I’m starting to wonder whether you’re serious or whether you just ***** with me because nobody is this stupid
friendly bet Troy Franklin goes in the first round this year maybe not to us, but he will go
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On 2/28/2024 at 6:47 AM, Einstein said:
It may be the prudent move to let Douglas walk considering his age.
I just don’t know what our CB room is going to be like without him?
Tre coming off 2 ACL injuries, Benford who is often injured, and Elam?
Yikes.
I would not do this Rasoul Douglas is playing at a very high-level extend him
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3 hours ago, NoSaint said:
It’s crazy that so many still don’t realize the difference between having the best qb in the league vs the second best in your own division and that’s maybe 10-12 in the league. Matt Ryan isn’t a guy capable of being the leader of that success.
the dolphins failures the last couple years weren’t the tyreek trade, for instance
im not pounding the table to make the move but if it’s netting a truly elite player im not complaining about it either
Sounds irresponsible not to try your best to win one when you put it like thatWho is to say that that’s trying your best
Football is a team sport. The best thing to do is to make your team overall the best not one specific position, especially not in a year when there are so many good options, wide receiver.
For instance, I have no idea where Legget is going to go, but he is a much closer to 28 than he is odunzi
If you improve the position, and I think Legette would be an improvement over Gabe Davis, you still have those other pics to address other needs
It’s not gonna be any easier to get under this salary cap year to year we have to start getting younger at key positions on cost controlled contracts
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3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
You're placing too little. In Round 1, good measurements and showing out as an athletic specimen are integral to what Beane considers in Round 1. He always goes for traits and tools that fit the role he's looking for in Round 1. Even if they're looked at as needing a little development.
You are downgrading Troy Franklin that’s how I know that you’re placing too much emphasis on it
Guys that were first round picks do not all of a sudden not become first round picks because of the underwear Olympics
1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said:At some point in the 2nd half of round one or the first half of round two, there will be a historic-ish run on WRs that results in 10+ guys drafted in the first 40-50 picks. Teams would be silly NOT to get in on the WR depth during the first two days of the draft. (You have to admit, the receivers overall looked even better than advertised at the combine. Such a position of strength, despite coming in so many different sizes and shapes.)
I do wonder, depending on who is still on the board if the bills are not formulating a plan to take a defensive lineman in round one and then trade up and round two for a wide receiver
Once again, not saying, this is what I would do but
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I would trade up in the second round to get sweat
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Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:
You don't get that kind of frame with that kind of speed with his playmaking tape every day. He ascended and earned some money with how he looked yesterday. Where we're picking is pretty much the sweet spot for him. Trade down and there's a good chance you miss him. Then you're looking at guys like Keon Coleman and Troy Franklin that measured out disappointingly yesterday.
You’re placing way too much stock on the underwear Olympics
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1 hour ago, aristocrat said:
I’d do the kc trade if odunze gets out of the top ten. Next years one
No, no it is irresponsible to be trading away that kind of draft capital when you’re going to have to start replacing your veterans with young talent due to having a franchise QB on the books
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On 3/1/2024 at 7:07 AM, B-Man said:
Let's see how Uncle Joe does next week.
His pharmacy team certainly has a challenge for themselves.
Meanwhile, as contrast.
Republican rising star Katie Britt to deliver the GOP response to Biden's State
of the Union address next week in her first national introduction to Americansby Morgan Phillips
Freshman Alabama Sen. Katie Britt has been chosen by Republicans to deliver the rebuttal to President Biden's State of the Union address next week. The GOP's rising star won her Senate seat in 2022 after serving as a long-time staffer of outgoing Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby. Britt is the first woman to hold an Alabama Senate seat and at 42, the youngest Republican woman to be elected to the Senate. Trump had endorsed Britt in her 2022 primary after flipping on former Rep. Mo Brooks, who he'd first endorsed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13142727/katie-britt-republican-state-union-rebuttal.html
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Republican rising star, huh
Let’s hope that her star shines brighter than green and Bobbert
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21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I am opposed to a trade down.
In my eyes, with their performances at the Combine, combined (no pun intended) with the descension of Franklin - I see a dropoff after WR7. And with the ascension of guys like Worthy, Mitchell, and Legette and the solidification of Thomas as probably out of reach - we'd be playing a dangerous game trying to get one later than 28.
Especially with a team like Kansas City at least standing pat to take a WR, if not trading up.
It’s a horrible thought, but the fact is Kansas City is going to get a good wide receiver out of this draft. There’s nothing we can do to prevent it we just have to make sure that we also get a good one.
Legette is a second round guy
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I’m also not opposed to a slight trade down that picks us up an additional third round pick
Ideally, I’d like to see a trade down that got us two second round picks. I was just watching a mock where we did that and got the defensive tackle sweat and wide receiver Legette that would be awesome.
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6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:
I don’t give a rats azs what his name is, I want the one that catches the ball when it is thrown to him, a guy that makes a play on the ball and doesn’t wait for it to land in his hands, and then knows what to do with it after he catches the damn thing, is that to much to hope for?
GO BILLS!!!
I think there are literally going to be the chance to get two of those kind of wide receivers in this draft
That’s what I wanna see
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I would not trade up for anybody in the first round. There’s just gonna be too much quality talent at 28.
Round two through the end fair game
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Tavius White is still under contract
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2 minutes ago, Gugny said:
He was coveted by Beane as a pass-catching receiver who would play a significant role in the offense.
And when he got to Buffalo, the asinine coaches failed to integrate him into the offense and he became a special teams player.
You do the math, Einstein.
I feel like the change offensive coordinator would’ve really helped hines
It’s still might if they cut him they can still bring him back
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I’m wondering why we would not be happy with a Dawkins extension
He is playing at an extremely high-level
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The nice thing about this draft is that it’s gonna be really hard to go wrong at wide receiver other not picking one at 28
I came into the weekend it being Franklin. He still there. There are like five wide receivers. I would be happy with.
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1 hour ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
Wow! What's this cost us in dead cap?
What a flop of a trade.
Why do people call things flops whenever people get hurt
You can’t forecast that
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8 hours ago, JDHillFan said:
Probably your dumbest, most unaware post ever. That’s saying a lot. If you ignore the border disaster, Biden has been such a friend of Texas during his presidency!
Good god man. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽
Personally, I think you should just let Texas fend for themselves with all the succession part all the military bases stop the federal funding
AOC went down there and fund raised for them whenever they were having their cold weather disaster crisis. She got absolutely no credit for it.
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51 minutes ago, BillStime said:
Thanks Joe
I realize that this is his job, but could you imagine Trump saying this about California?
On 1/31/2024 at 7:51 AM, B-Man said:
That’s cute
Biden is right there whenever Texas needs them then they turn around and thumb their nose
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Is trading Milano something Bills should consider?
in The Stadium Wall
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Tell me this is a joke
The original poster posted the silliest thing I will see all day
Switching to a 34 would be the second