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11 hours ago, Tenhigh said:
This seems like it should have ended it right there on the spot.
https://www.businessinsider.com/e-jean-carroll-rape-corroborator-addresses-anti-trump-views-2023-5
The email Martin sent Carroll in September 2017 included a link to a humorous New Yorker column mocking Trump, who Martin called "orange crush."
"This has to stop," Martin wrote at the time. "As soon as we're both well enough to scheme, we must do our patriotic duty again."
"TOTALLY!!!" Carroll responded. "I have something special for you when we meet."
@Ron Burgundy what is there to eye roll here? You don't think the email exchange raises ANY questions? And the fact that she didn't even know the year the rape supposedly happened? Or the fact that she knew it would increase her book sales?
You can still dislike Trump AND believe that this case is as thin as one ply.
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10 hours ago, ChiGoose said:
Ehh, probably not.
You always want a venue that you think will be friendly, but ultimately what decides the case is what is presented at trial.
The jury deliberated for three hours and sided with Carroll on every issue except the top one.
If they were in the tank for her, they would have given her everything.
If it was a bunch of diehard libs determined to stick it to Trump with one or two holdouts, it would have taken longer than three hours.
Not to mention one of the jurors admitted he got his news from Tim Pool.
People who spend their time thinking about politics tend to believe everyone thinks like they do, but they don’t. The average American doesn’t think that way.
So in Tennessee it is still the same outcome? I think you are way off the mark of you believe that.
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This seems like it should have ended it right there on the spot.
https://www.businessinsider.com/e-jean-carroll-rape-corroborator-addresses-anti-trump-views-2023-5
The email Martin sent Carroll in September 2017 included a link to a humorous New Yorker column mocking Trump, who Martin called "orange crush."
"This has to stop," Martin wrote at the time. "As soon as we're both well enough to scheme, we must do our patriotic duty again."
"TOTALLY!!!" Carroll responded. "I have something special for you when we meet."
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1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:
In the first Carroll trial (where the jury found he assaulted her), I would not.
Joe Tacopina seems like a decent lawyer.
Would you agree that the venue affected the outcome?
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22 hours ago, BillStime said:
You are one sick fk.Dude, have you totally given up on talking to people without insulting them?
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3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:
As to rape vs. sexual assault, the word rape is commonly defined in a way that includes unwanted penetration by things that aren't a penis. However, under NY law at the time, rape was specifically defined as requiring intercourse (I believe they recently updated that definition to be more in line with the common understanding of the word rape).
If I recall correctly, while Carroll believed that Trump had used his penis, she did not actually see it and instead was inferring from what she was experiencing. So the jury believed she was penetrated but didn't feel that she had proved he used his penis.
Unfortunately, a lot of sexual assault cases come down to "he said, she said" and the jury has to decide who they find more credible. And the cases are often very messy with no clear set of facts that everybody would agree to.
Having two people with contemporaneous accounts of being told about the incident probably helped Carroll a good deal here. Trump's deposition also likely hurt him (he couldn't state when two of his marriages happened, confirmed that he said that when you're a star you can just grab women, confirmed that he considered himself a star, confused Carroll with Marla Maples, etc).
I could see it going either way, but given Trump's history with women, him assaulting someone in a changing room seems fairly on brand. And while I've seen people claim that the jury was in the tank against Trump, if they were, they would have said they believed Carroll about him using his penis and also found he had raped her under NY law.
Do you honestly think he think he deserved to lose based on this evidence? Seems eerily similar to Clinton and several of the allegations against him.
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2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:
Carroll's case contained the following:
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Testimony from Carroll
- After she entered the dressing room, Trump slammed her against the wall and penetrated her first with his fingers and then with his penis
- She called a friend, Lisa Birnbach to tell her what happened
- Birnbach told her that she was raped and should report it to the police
- The next day, she told her friend Carol Martin
- Martin told her that if she publicly discussed it, Trump would send his legal team after her
- When shown an email exchange between her and Martin indicating a scheme to do their patriotic duty, she stated that she was not scheming to bring down Donald Trump
- She didn't go public in 2016 because she believed he was doing better in the polls the more women who accused him
- She filed the suit now because he repeatedly called her a liar and it hurt her reputation
- Carroll initially thought the event occurred in 1994 or 1995 until she realized that Lisa Birnbach visited Mar-a-Lago in February 1996 which she did not believe would have occurred after Birnbach knew about the incident
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Testimony from a former Bergdorf Goodman manager:
- Departments were often left unattended and dressing rooms left open
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Testimony from Lisa Birnbach:
- Met with Trump in January 1996 for a story she was writing
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Carroll called her short of breath and said that Trump had assaulted her
- Birnbach offered to take Carroll to the police but Carroll refused and told her to keep the conversation a secret
- They did not talk about it again until 2019 when Carroll had decided to go public
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Testimony from retired stockbroker Jessica Leeds:
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Trump had suddenly grouped her in a manner similar to Trump on an airplane after a flight attendant invited her to move to first class and sat her next to Trump
- She said he groped her breast and tried to kiss her but she broke away when he started reaching up her skirt
- Passengers behind her did not seem to react
- The whole incident was probably less than a minute
- Trump saw her later and referred to her as "that [c-word] from the airplane"
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Trump had suddenly grouped her in a manner similar to Trump on an airplane after a flight attendant invited her to move to first class and sat her next to Trump
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Trump's video deposition:
- He rarely shopped at Bergdorf Goodman
- He did not read Carroll's written accusations in either her book or her New York Magazine article
- Denied the incident occurred
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Confirmed he stood by his statements that Carroll was making up the story for financial and political reasons
- When asked if he had any basis for these assertions, he said he didn't know
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Confirmed that he made the comments "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women - I just start kissing them, it's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the p***y" in the Access Hollywood tape
- When asked about the statement, replied "Well, historically, that's true with stars."
- Confirmed that he considered himself a star
- When shown a photo of Carroll, Trump claimed it was his former wife, Marla Maples
- Said he was married to his first wife from "about '78 to the early 90's" (they married in 1977 and divorced in 1990)
- Was unable to state when he married Maples
- Would not answer when asked when he married his current wife
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Clinical psychologist testimony:
- She evaluated Carroll and found she had been harmed by the incident but found no signs of mental disorder
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Testimony from journalist Natasha Stoynoff:
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While visiting Mar-a-Largo in December 2005, Trump brought her to look at a room while his wife Melania was changing
- He forced her against a wall and kissed her while she tried to push him off
- He told her they were going to have an affair
- She only told a few people because she did not want it to affect her career
- Video was shown of Trump denying Stoynoff's claim while campaigning and implying she was unattractive
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While visiting Mar-a-Largo in December 2005, Trump brought her to look at a room while his wife Melania was changing
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Testimony from Carol Martin:
- Corroborated Carroll's account of their conversation following the incident
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She and Carroll did not scheme against Trump though Martin did not like him.
- She claimed their plan was to support Democratic party causes
On cross-examination by Trump's attorney (Joe Tacopina):
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Testimony / responses from Carroll:
- Carroll stated that she did not scream during the incident because she was in too much of a panic and surprised by the suddenness of the assault
- She experienced daily regret since first suing Trump due to feeling threatened
- She could not recall the meaning of her 2017 email to Martin
- She omitted it from her diary because she did not want to think about it
- She was inspired by MeToo and the Harvey Weinstein cases to come forward
- While she wanted her book to be successful, she was not struggling financially
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Comments from Tacopina:
- Carroll stated that she had not used the Bergdorf fitting rooms since the incident before saying she had actually used them after
- Audio clip of Carroll stating that she did not blame Trump for the cessation of her romantic life but that "maybe in that dressing room my desire for desire was just killed"
- Carroll stated that she was a big fan of Trump's The Apprentice show
- Carroll asked on social media if people would have sex with Donald Trump for $17,000
- Asked Carroll if she had seen a 2012 episode of Law & Order SVU about a rape in a Bergdorf fitting room; which she said she had not seen
- Referenced an incident where Carroll called the police to report vandalism to a mailbox, to which she explained that she didn't want anyone to know that she suffered. Until now, she was ashamed to let people know what was going on
The defense did not present a case.
They probably thought they didn't need to. I'm not sure I blame them.Thanks for the write up though. Why do you think they only went with sexual assault vs rape?
I think Trump is a POS, and think it's possible he could have sexually assaulted someone. But what seems fishy and sticks out most to me is the fact she can't remember even the year (seems a pretty monumental event in anyones life), the timing of coming out due to the book sales and the complete diary omission. And the scheme email. How do you get yourself ok with that beyond your feelings about Trump?
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Testimony from Carroll
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8 hours ago, ChiGoose said:
Under NYS law as applicable at the trial, rape required intercourse (penis in *****).
The jury found that Trump had penetrated Carroll with his fingers but was not convinced he had done so with his penis. Therefore, they could not find he had committed rape as defined by NYS law.
However, the word “rape” in other contexts (including dictionaries) also includes forms of sexual assault such as penetration with fingers.
So while the actions the jury found Trump did would constitute rape as it is commonly understood, it did not meet the definition in NYS law at that time.
But what was the evidence was it based on? Did she really not remember even what year it occurred?
7 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:Remember when Trump said "I just grab them by the pu$$y"? He did what he said he does. Uninvited.
How do you know he actually did it? She also claimed he raped her, why wasn't that included in rhe verdict?
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This is such a weird case to which I never paid much close attention. I looked up a few articles and I am a little confused as to why the jury awarded her anything in the first place. Anyone have any impartial resources? Like from what I read she said he raped her, but the jury only put him on the hook for sexual assault. Why?
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On 1/8/2024 at 6:50 PM, ChiGoose said:
Every accusation is a confession. Easiest way to understand the nonsense coming from the insane Right.It's very dangerous when anyone does it, any anyone caught doing it should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Do you agree that the folks swatting republicans are garbage people? Because the people doing it to Dems certainly are.
On 1/8/2024 at 9:17 PM, BillStime said:
👆Very dangerous strategy from the left to tyrannize their political opponents in this manner.
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fn idiots
Whe are the f'n idiots, besides the people doing the swatting, regardless of political party? And the scumbags who support this thing, regardless of party?
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On 1/24/2024 at 1:13 PM, Bills said:
Either he quit on the team or his game fell off a cliff and he’s close to being washed. My vote would be for the former. Either way we should move on from him as soon as possible.
OP is burying the lede. The real question here is how in the name of Ralph Wilson's ghost were you able to get the straight-up handle 'Bills' in 2021? Most new posters since 2010 are stuck using some variant of "IeAtCrAyOnz".
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5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:
Too.
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On 1/25/2024 at 5:52 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said:
and to lose arguments to, I guess...post some more banal memes that we can try to ignore.
In his defense, you've lost pretty much every argument you have been in on PPP, you've just been to drunk to notice.
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21 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:
Ditto for the orange imbecile. Except he has a life of McDonalds and pornstars that will hasten his demise. Joe is taking care of himself at least.
Staged photo ops of bike riding that lead to crashes doesn't count as taking care of yourself.
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On 1/25/2024 at 10:06 AM, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
Accurate. Very difficult to find the exact wide brimmed version McD favors.
Is there a thumbs up for the post about thumbs down for the hat emoji?
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4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:
just making shite up. over and over. my God, the whitehouse looked like a WV pharmacy during trump. Is that OK w you?
It's called a joke, you drunken knucklehead. Go sleep it off.
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On 1/27/2024 at 5:26 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said:
Should you be left to your own devices?
'It's a tight network. by design. ask ten high...year of graduation is not a barrier.
It's tight, but claiming you went together is stretching it, no? It's like me claiming I partied with Kirk Douglas.
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3 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:
What's the pupil dilating drugs that Biden is on?
Embalming fluid.
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Great news brother! Stay strong and know we are all pulling for team Whorlnut!
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21 hours ago, HappyDays said:
I don't care about Ty Dunne and I think it's pretty obvious that he is writing hit pieces on McDermott because it's good for business.
But I will say I think you can summarize McDermott as a head coach with one play - giving the ball to Hamlin on a fake punt in a critical moment of a playoff game. That is who McDermott is. He makes decisions that are safe and comfortable and warm. He makes decisions rooted in emotion and a misguided belief in destiny. That's nice for the Disney channel. For the National Football League it's a joke. I don't want a coach that thinks he's the star of a feel good sports movie. I want a coach that understands he's going to war.
Not a huge McD fan, but this reads like you have been huffing paint. 😮
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2 hours ago, theAteam said:
Are we going to have the capital to sign a FA wr?
Maybe Boyd
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1 hour ago, BBFL said:
Bill is an awesome coach and I can respect what he’s managed to achieve during his tenure with the Patriots.
However, I don’t know how I’d feel if we hired him. Would be a sour taste if we hired him and never ended up winning a SB under his guidance.
I agree that we better get a golden fiddle if we are gonna make a deal with that particular devil.
54 minutes ago, rusty shackleford said:CBS should bring him in as a color commentator to pair with Ian Eagle.
He'd be the Sling Blade of announcers.
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30 minutes ago, Einstein said:
Sorry but this new age horse manure doesn’t appeal to me.
Do they get to stop going to school because they don’t want to? Why force them, right? They may end up resenting you!
Do they get to be an a-hole to their parents because they want to? Can’t force them not to after all… don’t want that resentment.
I know a sports team is not the same seriousness level as either of these examples but the foundational and core principles are the same. You make a commitment, you stick to it. Loyalty and other morals are taught - they’re not naturally ingrained.
Im not saying you force the kid to sit in front of the TV every Sunday and watch, but if they ask you if they should switch teams the answer IMO is “You don’t give up just because the road is tough”. What he/she does with that answer is up to them. But you shouldn’t advise them to give up, or give them an answer that condones the potential of changing teams just because things are difficult right now.
Thwn why bring up the dlfalse equivalence of school in the first place? But read the top post of this page, what I said actually happened to a fellow poster. And I don't think the OP's question is about changing teams, it sounds like the kids doesn't want to be forced to watch football at all.
I told my kid he didn't have to root for the Bills if he didn't want to, but he stayed and he's still with me at the games or on the couch every week. You don't like my way? Cool, but opinions are just that.
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13 hours ago, Einstein said:
For those who want a summary of what he is asking;
I'd like to hear your thoughts on a fatherhood moment. I have five boys, and my oldest, who's 13, asked if he can stop being a Bills fan. I encouraged them to be Bills fans since I'm from Buffalo, but he finds it upsetting now. He told his grandma to ask me because he knew it would hurt me. I'm not giving up on the team, but I need advice on talking to my boys about the season and being Bills fans. I believe in the team, and some changes are needed, like drafting new talent and maybe a new coach. One championship before I die, please.
My answer: I disagree with all the posters telling you to encourage him to root for whoever he wants. That’s lame sauce. Sometimes crap doesn’t work out. Sometimes in life we lose. But we don’t give up and we don’t stop being a fan just because things didn’t work out the way we wanted. We stick through it and keep our commitments to our team. Then give him a hearty GO BILLS.
The fact that the kid had to go to his grandmother makes me think this is bad advice. If you force a kid to do something they don't want to you may succeed for the short term but they will ultimately end up resenting you, the Bills or both. Better to let them choose, imo.
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"BREAKING" NEWS: Donald Trump RAPED Katie Johnson and E Jean Carroll- $83M verdict
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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I actually think he is a POS human, but that doesn’t mean he sexual assaulted this woman. I believe you're right that they found him liable because of who he is, which isn’t how its supposed to work.