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6 hours ago, Big Turk said:
OP shouldn't pose subjective questions with non subjective titles then. The title of the thread and what he is actually asking don't align at all.
lol. It’s the op’s fault you didn’t read the first post for context. 😂
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28 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Diggs and it isn't close. The question wasn't "who is your most sentimental #14" or "who is your favorite #14". It was who is the best. Diggs far and away is the best and these other replies answering a question that wasn't asked probably need to learn how to separate logic and emotion a little better. This wasn't an interpretation question, it was a logic question not open for interpretation....by any measure Diggs was the best #14 ever on the Bills.
Actually....it was.
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Best doesn't necessarily mean who produced most. It could.
But just overall if you take everything into a player from production to leadership, tenure, great moments, to just likeable.....
Did you read the first post or do you just like to just be passive aggressive and imply the people responding with players based on great moments are stupid?
In my very subjective opinion based off of the very subjective criteria listed out in the very first post....It's Ryan Fitzpatrick....for me.
But I'm willing to be open minded about others subjective position based on: production to leadership, tenure, great moments, to just likeable....which was in...THE VERY FIRST POST.
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Diggs helped Allen grow
Frank had the comeback
But nothing will ever top that feeling when Fitz went toe to toe with Brady and won. Stadium was out of control that day.
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33 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I get where you are coming from, but Owens and Moss don't qualify for what I am saying. Eagles didn't trade a bounty for TO, nor did the Patriots to get Moss who only spent a 4th round pick. And of course, they never won a Super Bowl either. So not that your points aren't valid, I think maybe you misunderstood the basis of my point of when teams give up a ton of draft capital to go get a WR that then diminishes their ability to continue to build the rest of the team. For example, anytime someone can go get a "Randy Moss" player for a 4th round pick and has the cap room to make it work, its a no brainer. But how often does a trade up to draft Julio Jones or big trade for a Tyreek Hill result in a Super Bowl? Answer is quite frankly never has.
The reason I bring this up is we have to weigh the cost vs the return. Is it really necessary to go get a top 15 WR in the draft and give up 2-4 premium picks to do so? Well, only one team in the last 20 years even had a top 15 drafted WR1 in Mike Evans despite there being some great WR drafts over that span with some great WR's to come out of them early in those drafts.
Consider the year we got Diggs. That draft, everyone here wanted us to use trade the farm to move up to get one of Ruggs, Jeudy, or Lamb because everyone knew none would make it to us, including Beane. Well...lets see how that worked out:
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Bills - we sent a pretty big trade package to Minny to get Diggs and then paid him a lot of money while Allen was on a rookie deal. Diggs emereged as a top 5, arguably top 3 WR during at least 2 of those years, and we only made it out of the 2nd round once in 4 years.
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What if we had instead traded up for one of the big 3:
- Ruggs and Jeudy - Ruggs is in Jail and Jeudy sucks compared to his hype and has been a mediocre WR.
- Lamb - Was being questioned if he was truly a WR1 until finally this year, his 4th season. Dallas has won even less than we have and they had multiple seasons with Cooper and Lamb.
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What if we had instead traded up for one of the big 3:
- Best WR's in the draft ended up being people on the board at our original pick in Jefferson and Higgins. Lamb finally entered the debate now with Higgins on who is better, but up until this season it was Jefferson and Higgins.
Trading up in that draft would have been a huge mistake and not returned the value of Diggs. Trading for Diggs worked out to help us win more games, but ultimately it delivered 4 disappointing playoff exits, none of which was because of our WR group.
- We lost in 2020 because we were the worse team, 2021 we lost because of our defense
- 2022 we lost in the trenches and not being able to run the ball in bad weather
- 2023 we lost because he had no linebackers and couldn't even get Mahomes jersey dirty.
The most correct thing to do was not trade for Diggs and stay put and take Jefferson. Doesn't mean the Diggs trade was bad or wrong, but not giving up draft capital and taking Jefferson on a rookie contract was more correct. But, again, Diggs trade makes more sense as no one knows how those rookies will turn out until they hit the field.
Look around at other big moves to get a WR...Even a lesser cost of Hopkins to AZ when he was arguably the best WR in the NFL and at least top 3, did very little for them although they only gave a 2nd. Clevelands big trade for OBJ didn't do much either, neither did Antonio Brown to the Raiders, or Amari Cooper also in Cle. I mean the examples can keep going on, I am just trying to name more of the most recent ones.
To be 100% clear, I want a WR early in this draft too, we all do. I would love to get one of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, or Thomas...I just don't believe we should gut a lot of premium draft capital to do so because this team needs more than just one of them to get over the hump, its proven that already the last 4 years. And when you factor in how great this draft is, historically great, maybe the best of all time in talent and depth...it gets even more illogical to gut our draft capital on a team who needs to keep restocking young talent given for cap management.
IMHO next years first should be really near our max, and only because we have two 2nd's next year now, so moving the first hurts less. But even so...imagine in 2025 having our first and then probably an early 2nd (Vikings) and of course our 2nd all next year for this roster, we could really load some talent up on this team. That could be what puts us over the top even. And we still would have added some exciting WR(s) in this draft too.
For the record...if on draft day I see we make some big expensive move to get someone like Nabers, I won't be mad, adding Nabers would be incredibly exciting. I will however be concerned that the cost may outweigh the reward because we will need to keep building through the draft to find playmakers and elite talent elsewhere on the roster because we won't have cap room to sign them in FA.
I would typically just skim a post this long but.....really well done sir. Great take. I was all for packaging picks for a WR (out of frustration more than anything) but you have legitimately changed my mind.
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Bills - we sent a pretty big trade package to Minny to get Diggs and then paid him a lot of money while Allen was on a rookie deal. Diggs emereged as a top 5, arguably top 3 WR during at least 2 of those years, and we only made it out of the 2nd round once in 4 years.
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3 hours ago, Bills of Boston said:
When I got this notification I really thought I was losing my mind but then I realized I wrote that over a year ago… the narrative had completely changed IMO prior to moving on from Diggs last week.
LOL...Well, bad on me because I didn't look at the post date. Your right, circumstances are definitely different.
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On 4/1/2023 at 8:20 PM, Bills of Boston said:
Dead cap hit…. Is a thing
Obv just giving you a hard time. You’re a great poster here with an awesome KC perspective… While I understand the thought process, it just makes less than zero sense to move Diggs for multiple multiple reasons
Not being argumentative but I don't understand this take. What GM would proactively weaken a unit "just because"? Diggs was obviously becoming or had become a major distraction/problem within the organization and Beane was not going to tolerate it. Thats my own personal conjecture.
On another note...I'm thinking the Bills might be prepping a bit to avoid an aging, underperforming team when the new stadium opens up. A team who is on the come up after a couple down years (which realistically might happen).
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I’m not thinking this hurts his draft position much. Someone will be happy to take him in the 2nd.
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17 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said:
just out of curiosity wonder how far that does get you in the points system that people like to quote.
Not sure.
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1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:
That's a big maybe, considering how late those picks could be. Took me the same time to come up with that response.
According to this thread the Bills are going to be a dumpster fire next year without Diggs 🤷♂️ I'm just deferring to the experts on here. Bills will obviously suck next year so, pretty attractive draft picks. If you can do it, and hypothetically get MHJ. I'd say do it. The Bills have done everything else with this franchise except mortgage their future by trading picks away. I say let's try that route.
It took you a half second to formulate a response to a question you had no idea how to answer....impressive
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2 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:
How?
This years first and second, next years first and two seconds. That'll move you up quite a ways and would be very attractive to a developing team. Only took me half a second to come up with that scenario.
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I love it. Served his purpose. See ya Diggs.
He's obviously a problem. If he was such a valuable asset Beane would hold on to him.
KC just won a SB with the Mayor, Govenor, and Police Chief of Turd city at WR. What's the problem?
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Just now, Doc said:
It would be more like a 3-year $66M contract.
Okay…who’s taking it on though. Look, I just don’t see it. I could be wrong but I don’t think so. I mean people here want him bounced. If he’s so good and worth the dough, why not just keep him 🤷♂️
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1 hour ago, BillsFan2313 said:
Where are Ridleys? You said no team would take his contract. Why?
30 years old, basically 100 million. Who is taking that on?
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22 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:
Calvin Ridley - 4 years 92 million
76 rec, 1016 yds , 8td's
Stefon Diggs - 4 years, 96 million
107 rec, 1183 yds, 8 tds
Cool. What are their playoff stats?
Again, not worth it IMO.
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18 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:
They are not trading Diggs!!! It’s cap disaster and not happening….
Seriously....Unless he rebounds, he's not worth the contract he has and no team will take it on, also, barring anything outrageous happening, he won't be released. He's on the team this year.
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19 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
He looked good but I hope they don't rest on their laurels and think these 2 plus a rookie is good enough. I'd like to see them add a good veteran on the cheap
Was Harris a 1 year deal? Thought it was a two but I could be mistaken.
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1 hour ago, Warcodered said:
Why do people think this is a thing, he's not going there, he's not coming here, not the Texans, hell probably not even the ***** Jaguars even though they suck even still they're still to close to a step removed from being relevant enough in the conference for if they trade him there it blowing up in their face when they play them in the regular season for playoff seeding and even worse in the actual playoffs.
I don’t necessarily think it’s a thing, but trades can tweak draft boards…make teams move up/down, etc.
Just saying that the “this ain’t a thing” theory falls apart if he does go to a lower slotted team in the draft. Hypothetically.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
And the team that traded for Higgins now won’t. What part of it being a wash is confusing about that?What if he goes to KC though
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13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:
James Hardy, the Bills 2nd round draft pick out of Indiana. Big guy with a wide catch radius. I didn't think he was still on the roster since he hasn't played since 2009 and has been deceased for 8 years but Beane's negligence knows no bounds!!
Too good of a post not to get a react or quote…legitimate lol sir 👍
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I’ll do it for the league minimum.
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If NE signs him, all Beane has to do is offer Sherfield, Matekavich, and a 4th rounder in a trade to get him in B-lo….
Git-er-done Beane!
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10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
He looked old and slow this year. I'd rather they add some young legs next to Poyer.
This didn’t age well
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Hated for the Pats is obscene for me...Only because they were always just better in every way than the Bills
Hated for the Chiefs is irrational because the Bills are just as good if not better but can't get past them.
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I can't even imagine what today's "sports media" would say what about Marino, Kelly, Elway, Moon, Cunningham, if they were all playing today....."worst quarterbacks ever!" I guarantee it. It's nonsense but that's the name of the game today.....Spout nonsense, get clicks.
OJ Simpson dead at 76
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No way...I'd be surprised. The Bills released a player for an unvetted accusation that never saw a trial...Can't imagine they will recognize an accused murderer who was convicted in a civil trial and by all accounts, the majority of the US population believes is an actual murderer.