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  1. On 2/22/2024 at 2:12 PM, JMM said:

    Seems a bit strange, first of all the timing,  but more importantly they already have a terrific punter in Townsend. So unless they are releasing him for salary issues this signing makes little sense 

    We should bring their punter in for a look.  He was great in the playoffs and SB. 

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  2. 17 hours ago, Warcodered said:

    Kincaid is a great weapon that needs to be used more in the offense, but he's never going to be fast enough to fill that other hole we have on offense we need another guy.

    We really need speed at WR. 
     

    I think a prime pick has to go WR to complement Diggs, especially with Davis likely gone.  Once Diggs goes this pick could hopefully fill the void. 

  3. 16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

    Bass is a mental patient.  As a sympathetic human, I don’t “blame” him for looking shell shocked like he just came back from the front lines at Verdun.  But as a longtime fan of this team - Bass can go get f’d.

    Booth Lustig, a kicker from the 60’s,  got his ass kicked after a game, outside the rock pile, by Bills fans when he missed a big kick.   
     

    Paul McGuire tells the story. 

  4. 12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

     

    He's not.  7.4 mil in dead cap, no way Bills create a hole and take that cap hit plus what it would cost to sign a new kicker.


    They must hold a legitimate competition and bring a serious kicking prospect into camp to push Bass.  He might be shot.   Mentally shot.  Push him to be better. 

  5. 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

    This is redemption for the 1966 AFL championship game... 

     

    This is for the City of Buffalo

     

    This is Josh Allen's destiny

     

    Patrick mahomes has never tasted the 12th man... This is a challenge

     

    We are hurting but the team is next man up... We need the vintage 12th man

     

    We need fanndemonium and raucous energy... We are deep on the D line

     

    And this is the last hurdle.. they are the monkey on the back... The Boogeyman

     

    This is a special team embrace it Sunday night and it will be the start of a special season

     

    The Bills avenged the 1966 AFL championship by beating KC 30-13 in the AFC championship game on 1/23/1994.  This would avenge the 2021 AFC Championship game loss in KC, and the loss in KC the following season (13 seconds) ..

     

    This is not the last hurdle.  There are two more rivers to cross after this one. 

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  6. 8 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

     

    When you win the coin toss you can choose to:

    1) Receive

    2) Kick

    3) Defend a goal

    4) Defer first choice to the second half.

     

    The other team gets first dibs in the second half. In most conditions, a team will defer the first-half decision upon winning the toss, in order to have first choice in the second half (which would be Receive) and have a chance to double-up with the last possession of the first half and first possession of the second.

     

    The toss-losing team invariably takes the ball after a defer but in extreme conditions like wind, it can be advantageous for a team to defend the the goal "with the wind" for the first/third quarter even at the expense of kicking the ball away, in order to take the wind for the second/fourth.

    The Marv/Kelly era Bills did this at home several times in bad weather with good results. 

  7. 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    I don't expect it to be a popular suggestion. Personally I think Torrence's reputation on here exceeds his play. I think early season returns gave everyone a lot of optimism that has not been borne out over the back half of the season. He has a long way to go to cement his spot as a long term starter.

     

    That being said the one argument against it that makes sense to me is what you said - do you risk tearing apart the cohesion that's been built over several months of all 5 starters being the same? That is a legitimate concern.

    Long season, rookies often have trouble playing this many games.  He also faced some real good competition to.  
     

    Stick with him at this point.  

  8. 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

    Stevie Johnson is very close to a top 10 Bills receivers, in fact all time yardarge list for receptionss he is listed as #10 which also includes ahead of him Thurman Thomas and Elbert Dubenion..

    Yes.  He is very close to #10. The stats I provided in another post show that he is.  

     

    If we only go by yards/stats then in 20 more years the top 10 will all be players that played from 2005 and on.  Is that really the top 10?  

     

    Stevie has more 1000 yards seasons than Paul Warfield (he only had 1), while Stevie had 3 in a row with Fitz.  Who was the better player?  Is it even a conversation?   That is why I look beyond the stats.   

     

    It is getting impossible to compare WRs from other eras.  The game is different now.  

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  9. 48 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

    Throw out all the "he was best in the league in route running" (he was, btw.. ask Derrell Revis).

     

    He is top 10 in every category .. with awful QBs. So no, yours isn't based on factual data. 9th in catches,  10th in yards, and 8th in TDs, in Bills history for WR.. 99.99% of people (you are the .01) that wouldn't view this as a top 10 based on facts LOL 

     

    Let's talk about your "factual data" and how your "opinion" of 12-15 isn't "factually" correct.

     

    Stevie was not in the current passing era... he last played 10 years ago...... everything your saying is poorly thought out opinions based on zero facts.

     

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1655110-why-stevie-johnson-is-even-better-than-you-think PS, here is some knowledge for you for his route running. It's ok if you cant recognize talent man..  Unless Richard Sherman is also wrong? Wait, is John Lynch also wrong? 

     

    What you first wrote to me was actually devoid of any facts or data.  I responded with data to back up my opinion and I actually provided more support for your assertion than you did.  

     

    First you come up with "best route runner in the NFL", and now you say to forget that.    I don't have to forget it, because it is not true, and it was never true, even if one guy said it one time.   You found an article that says he is better than most people think.  I agree with that, he is better than most people think.  Because most people outside of Buffalo don't think much of him.  But in his era he was an average WR.  He was also inconsistent and he dropped passes, some at very critical times.  

     

    You said he played with awful QBs.  Not quite true.  Stevie played with a a pretty good passing QB in Fitz.    Fitz is the Bills 5th all time passer, and 3rd best in passing yards per game.  He went on to play many years in the NFL, long after Stevie faded away.  Like it or not, after Allen, Kelly, Ferguson and Kemp, Fitz is the best of the remaining lot that includes Flutie, Bledsoe, and Taylor.   So your QB argument is invalid.  Lots of Bills WRs played with bad QBs at certain points in their careers.  

     

    You have to look at the data and the era.  That is how I drop Stevie to 12-15.  He was good, but more like a good #2.   

     

    So yes, he is 9th in catches, 10th in yards, 8th in TDs and he played from 2008 to 2013 (when teams threw much more than any prior area)  - statistically he cracks the top ten.  Then you look at players below him and you factor in the era, their time as a Bill, the number of seasons,  and their impacts to the team at that time.   I see better players with lesser stats.  Factoring in everything, in my opinion he is at best 12. 

     

    If you don't agree that is fine.  I realize that maybe you, and a lot of fans here, never saw some of these other Bills players.   Again, I am giving you my opinion and I used the data and facts available while assessing players within their era to get to this opinion.  Perhaps in the future you can disagree without the wise cracks,  patronizing comments, and insults.

     

     

     

  10. 2 hours ago, warrior9 said:

    Stevie not being a top 10 all time Bill at WR is quite literally blasphemy. He was a top 3 route runner in the league during his time with the Bills. 

     

    I don't even think you believe what you posted and if you do, man, I feel horrible for you.

    Really?  And just how do you measure “route running” to come up with that?   How do you compare route running in the 60’s, 70’s, 80, 90’s,  00’s. - all different eras, some eras had different rules.  
     

    Looking at something tangible, like total yards gained, Stevie is 10th all time on the Bills.  He is the 9th all time WR on the Bills list if you take out running back Thurman Thomas.   Considering the era he played in, that alone does not put him in the top ten overall.  
     

    WRs with more total yards are:  Reed, Moulds, Evans, Dubenion, Diggs, Lewis, Butler and Chandler  - some of these guys played in eras where they did not the throw the ball nearly as much either.   Some played against bump and run coverages.   Stevie played in the passing era of the NFL and still ranks just 9th, barely ahead of Peerless Price who ranks 10th.  
     

    Stevie is actually only 11th all time in average yards per game.  Not outstanding at all considering he played in the throwing era.  Or maybe the Bills have had a lot of excellent WRs in their history?  
     

    Don’t like using yards?   He is just 9th all time in receptions, 8th in TDs.   So he is decent, but again this is a passing era player.  


    There are 4 more WR that were better overall receivers than Stevie but have less yards due years played, era, injury, trade -  Lofton, Beebe, JD Hill, and Glenn Bass. 
     

    Stevie might be a “top 3 route runner in the NFL” as you suggest, I highly doubt it though given his rankings in the NFL during his era. 
     

    All things considered, on the all time Bills WRs list he slots in around the 12 to 15 range IMO.  It’s gets hard to compare him to players from other eras.  Since I’ve seen every era, I put him outside top ten and somewhere around 12-15 seems about right - IMO.  
     

    Nice guy.  Fun player.  A steal in the draft.  He did acquire 1000 yards in 3 straight years which is highly notable.  But I remember his drops and inconsistency as much as his good plays. 
     

    PS. No need to feel horrible for me or you.  It’s just opinion, only mine is based on factual data.  

     

  11. 2 hours ago, Virgil said:

    I'm still struggling with the timing of this being released now.  It's strange to me.  But, love or hate McD, you can never argue that he has his players backs and it showed with this article and responses.  Coaching aside, bad context or not, McD has every players respect.

     

    Now, IF I were a conspiracy theorists, did this article drop now as potential fuel for Pegula to have another piece of ammo to fire McD if things don't go well....

    Sure.   Terry Pegula's "people" called the unemployed and nondescript writer, Tyler Dunne, to write this big piece on McDermott and drop it during the week of the teams biggest game of the season just to have "enough ammo" to fire his head coach. 

     

    Terry:  Sean, I thought this over and I think we have to let you go as coach of the Bills.

    Sean:  Ok boss, but can you tell me why?  I know we don't have a Super Bowl yet, but I have turned this franchise around, we are a contender, the stadium is full, the Bills get National attention, they are building you a new stadium, we don't suck like the Sabres ...

    Terry;  Yes, but remember that speech you gave in 2019, the one about the 911 terrorists ... 

     

     

  12. 41 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    It's a slippery slope, Patrick.

     

    You b!tch up a storm about the officiating the week before..........when every team is struggling with the same inconsistent officiating.

     

    Then the next week the officials who were always tipping you off about pre-snap penalties maybe decide to treat you like everyone else.

     

    The whole "we've never had an offensive Offside called against us" thing is just a crazy thing to hear.

     

    I can't tell if huge fines are coming to KC or the NFL tries to pretend they didn't hear it.    The audacity is just that difficult to comprehend.

     

     

    Mahomes comes off like an entitled brat.  
     

    It was crunch time and a penalty was called before this historic KC chiefs play happened. The rest of the football world will have to survive without this play.  It was a real and indisputable call, not like holding or PI.  

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  13. 28 minutes ago, SCBills said:


    It kind of is.. considering he’s the reason we have a team/organization with Championship aspirations. 
     

    Whatever happens, this organization needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and decide whether they’re going to go all in around their elite QB or keep acquiring and/or holding onto defensive assets the HC clearly advocates for. 
     

    Hyde & Poyer will always be Bills legends.  But we held onto them for a year too long.   Same will go for Tre this off-season.. it sucks, but a hard convo needs to be had about his future here. 
     

    We can’t keep holding onto our previous Championship window if we ever want to get to the next Championship window. 
     

    The Offense is in a good spot for next year.  We can realistically bring back the entire OL (which is a top

    5 unit) plus Diggs, Shakir, Kincaid, Cook and Knox.   Do we go all in and get Allen a top WR or two in this Draft, maybe our future Center early?  
     

    Or do we try keep bandaging a defense that simply needs to have a machete taken to it, infuse a ton of cheap youth into it and take some early season lumps on that side of the ball like KC did last year on the way to a Super Bowl. 
     

     

    Sure.  But it seems over the top to blame Poyer and Hyde for anything. 

     

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  14. 2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

    They say the old rockpile used to have about 2 minutes of hot water for showers then cold the rest of the way. Guys would jog from the field to the showers ‘cause they knew this. Players these days are soft ! 

    Yes, that is a great Paul McGuire story, and true.  No time to talk to old buddies after a game in the Rockpile.  

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  15. 1 hour ago, Logic said:


    I don't disagree that the players are largely to blame for the offensive struggles this season.

    However, I've said it before and I'll keep going back to it: When MULTIPLE players on offense are committing inexcusable turnovers week after week -- are looking sloppy, executing poorly, and exhibiting poor ball security -- I believe it's still an indictment on the offensive coordinator. McDermott has said that he likes to let his coordinators completely run their side of the ball. So if Ken Dorsey was the ultimate offensive boss, then it was his job to preach ball security, to emphasize attention to detail, and ultimately, to get his team ready to play on Sundays.

    Videos I saw online this week of Joe Brady's first practices as OC showed him running routes with the WRs, doing ball security drills with the QBs using a jousting stick type implement -- in short, he was being a hands-on coach, and he was attacking the areas in which the Bills have struggled. 

    Now maybe Dorsey was doing these things, too, though I didn't see a single video online all season of him being hands-on in this way in practice. Furthermore, McDermott's recent comments about "doing things the right way in the margins" on offense certainly seemed to suggest that he was not happy with some of the NON-playcalling aspects of Dorsey's performance.

    It would be unreasonable to COMPLETELY blame an offensive coordinator for the failures of his players on Sundays. But it would be just as unreasonable, in my opinion, to completely dismiss his role in those failures, particularly when they haven't been a big issue with many of these same players in past seasons.

    Agree.

     

    The pre snap penalties, missed assignments, drops, etc .... When they are chronic issues, like the Bills were for 6 weeks, you look at their coach.  

     

    Practice should always include covering the basics of each position and the timing of the entire unit.  Even when they become as natural as breathing.  

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