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    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Hebert19 said:

    He has more yards and touchdowns over past 4 years than any other tight end.   Had 2nd most receptions behind bowers who will be a top 10 pick next year...and played injured half the year.  He's a stud and will be a pro bowl tight end...if you don't like the pick that's fine but his talent can't be debated. 

    This is just flat out false. Michael Mayer had more yards and TDs than Kincaid. You guys are crazy. 

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    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said:


    I do not necessarily agree it doesn’t move the needle. Adding an arrow to Allen’s quiver moves the needle.

     

    BUT I do think the idea of Diggs, Knox, and Kincaid being chess pieces who can own defenders on the inside or outside and at all levels, while Hopkins and Davis take care of the outside more exclusively.

    I like Kincaid as a big slot option. I’m not going to deny that. I just think this move makes more sense if it’s paired with a WR2. 

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    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted · Edited by IronMaidenBills

    8 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

    Iron The problem is, your credibility is lost on this topic. your first post was a pic of a TE that you have compared to the next Gronk. You changed your story 2 times on this topic. The point of having a great receiver TE and a normal TE like Knox on the field is so you can go with Davis because Kincaid will make others around him better...   you need to have a better outlook on things man.... cup half full not empty

    The problem is Davis is not good. Teams will just put a good corner on Kincaid because Davis never commands a double team. 
    You can’t put a good corner on Kincaid if Hopkins is on our team, which is my entire point. Kincaid is a brilliant pick if Beane has something else planned. 

    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    1 minute ago, NewEra said:


    I heard the PC.  I don’t think he would’ve traded down with anyone because I don’t think they would’ve had a partner.  Talk is cheap.  It’s post pick draft speak.  
     

    He wanted a playmaker in round one and was going to make sure he got one.  The way the draft fell, with no pass catcher taken in the top 19, allowed him to sit back, watch and wait. He knew there would be someone for him as long as he moved up a couple picks.  
     

     

    I still feel like this move doesn’t move the needle unless it’s paired with a Hopkins trade. 
    A big bodied slot guy only makes sense if you have 2 very good WRs who are clogging up the field. Personnel wise, you can’t guard Kincaid with a LB, he will destroy you. 
    That’s why Kincaid would be an A+ pick if Beane has more to this plan. 

    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

    IMB is on a jihad. I don't think there is talking sense into him on this.

     

    But for real between Gesicki and Ertz comparisons (not to mention some "poor man's Kelce) ones I've been hearing, if we get 75% in his rookie year that makes him the second best pass catcher on this roster

    Again I don’t dislike Kincaid. He will likely produce in our system. My only concern is WR2, has been since day 1. I don’t understand how a slot “TE” is much better than a slot WR that already showed promise in Shakir. It only makes sense if we land Hopkins. 
    The reason why I say that, is because with Diggs and Hopkins commanding a ton, nobody is going to be able to guard a big slot guy with Diggs and

    Hopkins on the field. 

    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:


    Jimmy graham lined up wide more than he did at tight end. Maybe we use him like that? 

    It’s possible. I don’t necessarily hate the Kincaid pick and want to put that out there. I just don’t see it helping much unless we have a plan at WR2. If we can’t land Hopkins, then the Kincaid pick seems a little strange. 
    We already have Shakir primed for the slot. 
     

    I would have been happier with a trade down into the 2nd round. Grabbing Avila and then grabbing Hyatt with a packaged up move. 
    Avila/Hyatt  >  Kincaid/ Dawand Jones 

    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

     

    So now you're contradicting yourself.

     

    You're saying there's no way of knowing what a player might turn into, yet here you are acting like you have Kincaid all figured out and he's a bust before ever playing a down.

    I didn’t say he was a bust, I said he’s a Gesicki. 

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    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

     

    Yep they are trying to create a mismatch situation and Mayer doesn't do that. It seems like they have a specific strategy for this. 

     

     

    The league clearly disagrees. It seems like Dallas would have taken Kincaid if the Bills didn't and Mayer is still on the board. 

    The league also clearly disagreed on Brady for 6 rounds. Also clearly disagreed on AJ Brown, etc etc. 

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    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

     

    Mayer is a better blocker.  That's it.  We didn't draft Kincaid for his blocking ability.

    Lol Mayer is a better overall TE that will have a better career when said and done because he’s useable at any point of the game. Mayer is just as good as a ball catcher, he’s Gronk like underneath. 

    1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

     

    Why is that?

     

    We need receivers that get open and catch the football.

    Gesicki is a glorified WR, and not even an elite receiver. I’d much rather have a real WR like Hopkins who is actually better than Kincaid. 

    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

     

    Beane flat out said they aren't going to be in 12 very often.

     

    He said more along the lines of an 11 and 1/2.  

     

    The sooner people stop looking at this guy as a cookie cutter TE, the better, because that's not what he is and not what we needed anyway.  We needed receivers who can run good routes, who get open, and who can reliably catch the football.  That's what we got.

    We don’t need a Gesicki, we need a Hopkins. 

    RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

     

    Yeah, but Prisco's objection to the pick was not understanding why the Bills need another TE. He qualified it by saying, maybe it makes more sense if they play more 2 TE formations.

     

    Maybe he didn't hear Beane say that Kincaid is a Big Slot Z receiver and not the same Y position in the Bills scheme as Knox? 

    He also said Mayer is a better TE, which he is. 

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