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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Or there is the fact that Josh, McD, and Beane made those two a focal point of being heavily involved along with Kincaid this year. Just like how Shakir and Kincaid were even when Diggs and Davis were here once Brady took over.
So yeah, you’re wrong about it being by default
Who was out-targeted when Brady was named OC, Diggs or Shakir?
thanks for playing.
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I think you missed the point...at least the point I took away from it...and that is maybe what the new look offense will are going to bigger opportunities with YAC between guys like Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid being more heavily involved than force feeding Diggs and the plodding of Davis.
And YAC was one of the things specifically mentioned today in the pressers about traits they are looking for.
They will have to be more heavily involved by definition because they are the only ones that you listed that are on the roster.
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1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:
I think these kind of players are certainly the exception and not the rule. For every Myles Jack, many likely fell for a good reason.
Sure, but is that fail rate any higher than the normal 3rd - 7th fail rate?
If there’s a fifth round player that should be a second round player and they hit, they likely hit bigger than the run of the mill JAG that would qualify as a hit in that round.
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2 hours ago, Logic said:
I dunno...
Brandin Cooks didn't turn out to be what they hoped in that offense last year, Gallup is gone, their tight ends are all pretty mid...
Who on that offense is currently scaring anyone other than CeeDee Lamb?
I think "zero chance" that they take Worthy is an overstatement.If you aren’t bold, you can’t lord your predictions over the rest.
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Jerry Jones hasn’t made a “cute” first round pick in many years now. Their first round pick last year was their LT in waiting while Smith got old (and was quite a foresight).
Zero chance they take Worthy imo. DB or OL will be their pick, or another WR.
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14 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
You know you guys are making a case for Coleman right? 😁
That’s the exact player I WOUDNT touch. He may have some great individual seasons being fed targets. But he can’t beat man consistently (jump balls are not consistent winners in todays NFL) and he will be a WR that you get and constantly search for another top end WR to pair with him. WR2 ceiling
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On 4/16/2024 at 2:17 PM, TheWeatherMan said:
Dude is a super solid human being and I wish nothing but the best for him personally (except when he plays the Bills). This would be so much easier if he was a whiney dbag like Mahomes, then I could hate his guts.
It’s also easy to not hate him because the Bills are his daddy.
Remember the 2020 blowout where they lost the game in the first Q and couldn’t mount a comeback against backups to make the postseason? Hard to hate something that.
It’s why Pats fans didn’t hate us up til like now.
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33 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
While I agree with you, still worth noting Keenan Allen ran a 4.71 and has been a high end WR1 still in the modern era. So I think its plausible Rice would have still been a great WR in the modern game, although probably not to the same degree that has him in the GOAT conversations like he is now.
I’m an all-time KA fan, he was a dude I loved in SD with Rivers.
I’m not sure he was ever a traditional high-end WR1. He was closer to the back end of the top 10 of WR’s rather than top 5 to me.
It’s splitting hairs because he’s still a great player, but his peak was still a Davante Adams lite, imo.
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7 minutes ago, H2o said:
Don't forget that Jerry Rice originally ran a 4.71 and then a 4.6 time. Puca Nacua last year only ran a 4.57 40, then had one of the fastest in game speeds tracked of all WR's.
There’s a world of difference in todays NFL of 4.71 and 4.57 imo
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34 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I know this guy isn't a true sleeper, but I think his value is being slept on too much, and that is Ja'lynn Polk, WR, Huskies. He has superior ball skills and strong hands, and 100% fits that theme Beane and McD want of making the catch. What he lacks in 40 time he more than makes up for with route precision, physicality, and ball skills. With a draft this deep, its not a surprise some of these guys are getting almost lost in the shuffle in the draft buzz. But if the Bills exited this draft with just Polk as the addition at WR, I would still be excited.
Don't get me wrong, not at all saying he should be our target or who we should take at 28. I am saying, hypothetically Bills go another position at 28 and then wait to pick 60 to draft a WR, if Polk was the guy I would still be very stoked about him. I know the big knock is the 4.54 forty time...but that is faster than Keenan Allen, Larry Fitzgerald, Cooper Kupp, etc who all had over 4.6 to over 4.7 forty times. What people fail to realize about 40 times too often is that straight line speed in shorts and does not automatically translate to on field speed of play.
A guy slower in the 40 may play faster or be better at getting separation at the next level than someone who put up a faster time. It is not the end all be all measurement its made out to be.
So for me, Polk is not getting enough buzz, but I really think he is going to be a very good player in the NFL. And in Buffalo, where bad weather often helps even the playing field speed wise in those late season and playoff games, having a guy with exceptional ball skills, who runs precise routes and is physical can be a major weapon.
Haven’t watched enough of him, but my baseline concern is ability to get open v man at the NFL level.
That’s not just him, that’s any relatively slower player.
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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I have done my true sleepers already but for the specific purposes of this thread I think Zinter absolutely meets the criteria. I am still frustrated we didn't throw a day 3 pick at Andrew Vorhees last year. I know it was a bad injury but I thought he was the best guard in the draft prior to that.
Where are the sleepers?
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1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:
Gunner: you should do a pod cast! Your analysis is great and you clearly know what you’re talking about.
@GunnerBill is legit one of the best draft commentary dudes around.
He had Juwan Johnson IIRC as a sleeper target in the 7th round a few years back, and Johnson has 800+ yards and 11 TD’s in the last two seasons.
Guy knows his stuff.
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2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale
Zak Zinter OG Michigan
JT Clark WR UTSA
Laiatu Latu DE UCLA
Zinter is absolutely a target for me in the later rounds if he’s available. Great IOL replacement player in a year or two.
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5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’d probably need 5 firsts including the first overall pick with a “can’t miss QB” prospect in the draft. I’m not talking Trevor Lawrence. I’m talking Andrew Luck / Peyton Manning level prospect.
You’d also need more picks as they are gonna be playoff team picks.
5 pick 26+’s are worth like 1 or 2 top 10 picks.
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The one strategy that I have always subscribed to is getting day 1/2 talent in day 3 because of poor medicals, off the field concerns, etc.
We have seen this pay off for teams in the past.
Mathieu
Hill
Biadasz
Trey Smith
Paye
JOK
Myles Jack
Mixon
Those guys all fell due to medicals or off the field stuff. And they all wildly outperformed their draft position.
So who are the red flag guys who have great talent, and a not so great background?
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1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said:
This is from nbc sports “Sutton has just $2 million guaranteed on his current deal with Denver after catching ten touchdowns on 59 receptions in 2023. Sutton, headed into his age-29 season, profiles as the team’s No. 1 wideout after the Broncos dealt Jerry Jeudy to the Browns this offseason. Sutton could be seeking a short-term deal with more guaranteed money ahead of the 2024 season. He’ll work with his tenth starting quarterback in his seven pro seasons.”
I am the front runner for drafting multiple wide receivers in this draft class because it’s so good and deep. This is one of the few guys I would trade for though. If we could give up a fourth round pick next year to get Cortland Sutton, I would be on cloud nine. Guy is a star with less than competent QB play. He would absolutely thrive with Josh, hopefully Odunze on the other side after he slides in the draft and we don’t give up much to get him and Kincaid, samuel and Shakir eating up the middle.
Sutton doesn’t fit the timeline anymore of the team.
the time to trade for him was mid season last year when Sherfield and Harty had proven to be laughable signings.
we probably beat the Chiefs if Sutton was on the roster in the postseason. But that’s over now.
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3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
I swear to god if this gets kc a very good cheap wr in his prime because he needs money and has a checkered history….Oh goody, the start of a 3 page doc vs weo loop.
lets run away at 119 mph
Relitigating a Shady McCoy bar fight from almost a decade ago is so on-brand though.
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4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
The 2016 Chiefs were ahead of the Bills.........but by a slimmer margin than some may recall. The teams had been closely bunched talent-wise in the years prior to McBeane tearing the Bills roster down in 2017.
Meh, I agree with a lot of what you said, but the stories of most of those players’ careers just hadn’t been written yet.
Sammy was probably regarded as better WR talent than Tyreek in 2017, but today it’s not close. Ditto with Dareus and Chris Jones. And Charles Clay and Kelce.
Maybe all those dudes reach different heights if the circumstances were different but I doubt it. Sammy was a nutcase, Dareus preferred eating to playing, and Charles Clay’s knees were disintegrating before our eyes. And Sammy was unsalvageable by McVay and Reid.
I agree back then it wasn’t some gigantic talent gap though.
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2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
So many variables if we took Mahomes at 10 though as could be debated we'd never gotten a 3rd for Tyrod as doubt Mahomes sits on bench his rookie year here. Also with no White on defense is it what we've seen? Do we still trade up for Edmunds or take another LB? I'll say it. I don't think Patrick Mahomes have the success we've seen him have in KC if we took him instead.
He probably doesn’t have the same success he had in KC. But we also don’t send him to an in-conference rival with a stacked roster to send us home every year.
the point isn’t, “if we drafted Mahomes do we have 4 SB trips?”
The point is, “if we send Mahomes literally anywhere other than the Chiefs with future HoF players and a HoF coach, are the Bills getting sent home by the Chiefs every year?”
And the answer to that is obvious, imo.
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1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:
The 5th turned out to be Tommy Doyle and Edmunds lead to our extra 4th this year so the trade still keeps giving for us for now.
Oh well in that case!
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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:
or you hope that your 50/50 guy works out and you don’t have to spend multiple picks instead of trading up for an 85/15 guyEven the 50-50 guys aren’t 50-50 to be homeruns. They are 50-50 to be Gabe Davis’
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2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Actually, the curse of the Bambino wasn't a one man heist like this was. The forgotten story is that the Yankees actually stole the Red Sox brain trust and a lot of other really good players in the next few seasons and didn't turn into a dynasty in earnest until they had pretty much picked the Red Sox bones clean. It would be like if the Bills got Brady and THEN took Belichick and Scarnecchia and Gronk and a bunch of other key players. That gutting, combined with a Red Sox owner that was more interested in other things than baseball doomed the Red Sox to decades of losing.
I used to draw the comparison to the Bills passing on Marino for Kelly and then watching Marino quickly have the greatest single season of any QB ever and reach a SB while Kelly was off playing in another league altogether. They essentially gift wrapped Marino to their biggest rival by not selecting him.........so very similar. The only hope was that when Allen caught up the Bills would "out-personnel" the Chiefs the way the Bills did with the Dolphins(despite the Fish having the greatest HC of his time and the better passer). Unfortunately, the Chiefs have done a good job with personnel to stay one step ahead of the Bills the whole time.
This situation is just so unique.........having a draft pick you traded away prevent you from probably winning 2 SB's. Much of the league's fans don't see it that way because the Bills are bowing out of the playoffs early........but that's what's happened. They probably win 2 of the last 3 at least without Mahomes in the way.
It’s doubly painful that the Bills traded him to a team that was 10 steps ahead of the Bills from a talent standpoint at the time. Jones, Kelce and Hill, their cornerstone HoFers were all there. I think they’ve still out done us in personnel but the gap shrank considerably just by virtue of standard NFL erosion and different team building timelines.
It’s like if the Dolphins traded us Marino while we had Reed, Thurman and Bruce already on the roster as a perennial playoff team.
Even if Mahomes is in the NFC, on a team like the Saints, maybe he still stands in our way in the SB but it would feel much more like an all-time rivalry. Allen V Mahomes in the final game of the year. And with a Dennis Allen or Sean Payton and that roster, we would have the edge on personnel.
Ultimately, we birthed the generational dynasty. Much like the Jets did when they knocked out Drew Bledsoe (and they still are miserable about it.)
And this graphic is pain.
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13 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
Last time there was a historically deep WR class we acquired Diggs. 6 WRs went in the first -
Ruggs - Bust for off-field
Jeudy - Not a full-on bust, but not nearly the impact of others in this class
Lamb - All-pro
Raegor - Bust
Jefferson - All-pro
Aiyuk - 2nd team all-pro last year, and has grown into a great player
Next 2 off board were Higgins and Pitman. Both very good players. Best of the rest was probably Mooney and Gabe Davis.
Any number of reasons can be why a player doesn't hit though. Ruggs made very bad choices, and his career is done. Claypool doesn't want to put in the effort to become a good player. Hamler just kept getting injured - and has a heart condition.
Yeah, makes sense. Take the 5th year option, convert it to a bonus and spread it over the term (plus void years).
FWIW, I believe the top 3 in this class are universally rated higher than in the 2020 class.
I guess that’s my point though. We traded our first for Diggs because we didn’t think there was a sure thing at pick 22. That had its own version of risk because we had to take on more money to pay Diggs, even though he had a much higher floor as an established pro.
There is no risk free avenue in the NFL. Trading multiple picks to get an all time prospect is a risk. Trading a pick for an established vet who needs to get paid is a risk. Trading away a pick to punt on a QB selection is a risk. Trading into the top 10 for a QB is a risk.
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4 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
I don't think the Smith extension even starts right away either as he had a 5th year option for 2025
Usually they extensions include that year and bring down their cap hit.
It’s why Jerry Jeudy appeared to get so much GTD money in his extension, because this season for him was already fully GTD.
Calling it now: You're all about to witness the arrival of Shakir
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Diggs wasn’t effective, imo because he’s washed. He was still the focal point. this is inarguable.
Shakir, Samuel and Kincaid will definitively be more the focal point for the 2024 Bills because they play for the Bills. Also, inarguable.