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  1. 4 minutes ago, billieve420 said:


    Outside of the division game in 2022 would not call any of the playoff exits great. He was good in the most recent playoff loss against the Chiefs. However, there were instances where we were on the brink of getting blown out. If not for Poyer saving that TD we were probably on the way to being beaten soundly. The almost near fumble while driving to tie the game before the miss FG was another play.
     

    For me the next step in his growth is being consistent making the plays in front of him and minimizing the mistakes. We can blame the coaching, defense, o-line, weapons around him. However, I am including Josh in there too. We didn’t put up any points in the 4th quarter and clearly wasn’t good enough to get the win. That falls on the entire team including the QB.

    Sorry but yours is not a serious post.  If we're going to play the "what if" game how about the 3 dropped long passes, and yes in the NFL I've seen all those catches repeatedly made during the season, that cost us at minimum 10 and probably 17 points.

     

    And if you're going to go on about Poyer's fumble keeping the game close, how about the terrible coverage and missed tackles that handed KC 14 of their points?

     

    As for the 4th quarter, the Bills would not have been shutout if Diggs catches that TD pass or Bass makes that 44 yard field goal.

     

    IMO in all 3 playoff losses to the Chiefs Allen was the least responsible of any Bills player for those losses.  Tell me who you think played better then Allen in any of those 3 games? And in any of those games did the Bills coaches outperform the Chiefs coaches?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  2. 1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

     

    Who steps up in the playoffs....Kelce or Diggs!  

     

    It's not so much Mahomes as it is Kelce in my opinion.  That dude straight murders our defense.

    And you can throw Reid & his coaches in there to. 

     

    BTW check out Allen's stats after the last 2 playoff games against the Chiefs:

     

    515 passing yards with 5 TD's & 0 INTS;  140 rushing yards on 23 carries with 2 TD's & no lost fumbles.  That's 655 total yards with 7 total TD's and 0 turnovers.

     

    If you throw in the 2020 AFC companionship game against KC Allen has in his 3 playoff games against Mahomes:  1030 total yards with 9 total TD's and only 1 turnover.

     

    Anyone claiming Allen is the reason why the Bills can't get past KC or that Allen must work harder in the off season so he can get past Mahomes should have their NFL football fandom revoked.

     

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  3. 5 hours ago, billieve420 said:

    Not many players will ever reach that level dedication to football that guys like Brady or Peyton has shown. You just hope that Josh knows what he needs to work on as a player in order for this team to win a Super Bowl. He will have to take his game to another level if he is going to get past Mahomes.

    No he won't.  In his last two playoff games against Mahomes Allen played great.  The problem is that the coaching and/or some of the rest of the team did not rise to the occasion. Look at Allen's game stats for these 2 games and tell me he has to play better? 

     

    This entire thread is madness.

     

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  4. 50 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

    Heading into the draft, I feel pretty good about the Bills.  The only thing lacking is a pash rush from the front 4.  I am concerned Groot has had a couple seasons now and needs to step up and be a 10+ sack guy.  I don't like depending so much on Von. Other than that I feel all the other positions are solid. 

     

    Depending on who is there at 28, I am tempted to move down, possibly with Carolina who may want to move back into the 1st. Possibly Washington as well to get a 3rd round pick.   Maybe use a 4th and 5th( or 6th) to move up in the 2nd.

     

    WR is still #1 on my list followed by DL.  Safety in the 4th, along with just BPA from there on out.

     

    How are you guys feeling about a month out from the draft?

    Very good.  Given where the Bills sit with respect to the salary cap I think they had an excellent off season.  As Bills fans we know that the losses while sad did not really hurt the team.  I'm thinking that replacing Morse will be the trickiest part with the most potential downside.  But any Bills fan knows that Morse was undersized and that caused problems against teams with monster DT's.

     

     

     

     

     

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  5. 2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

     

    I also have the impression that Josh may have changed who he works with, as he talked (post season this year) about making sure he spent time with the "appropriate people" working on his throwing mechanics because with the shoulder injury, he reverted and struggled a bit during the season.  So you may well be correct that Josh "dialed back" his relationship with Palmer, but it doesn't follow he's not working with someone.

     

    I dispute that right here and now.  He doesn't start lifting weights and throwing 4x/week as early as he did his first few seasons (and there may be medical advice that plays into that) but it doesn't mean he doesn't work hard when he works.  And he seems to be into flexibility training - "stretch and strengthen" is a different approach, which I understand Tom Brady promoted.

     

    The injury reasons you cite are not only great points but I would go as far as saying that the Bills medical staff have set conditions for what Allen should and should not do after the season ends.  We know he had injuries the last 2 seasons to his elbow and/or shoulder and it stands to reason that there were restrictions to how much throwing he should do from February through April. I would be shocked if the Bills medical people hadn't put restrictions on Allen throwing the football during these 3 months.

     

     

     

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  6. 16 hours ago, 90sBills said:


    Allen is a great qb and #2 currently. What he does in the offseason is his business. But that drive to be the best that existed in Brady and is what’s driving Mahomes right now is clearly not in Allen. That’s ok because not everyone has that and it’s not a requirement to win a championship. 

    Are you basing this on Allen doing a lot more commercials then Mahomes in the off season?

     

     

  7. 33 minutes ago, julian said:

    If a “Bills fan” is pointing fingers at Josh Allen as the reason for falling short of a championship, it’s an obvious attempt to garner a following, the poster is attempting to stand out from the crowd, to be edgy.

    Or maybe the poster is simply a moron trying to convince the rest of us about how football illiterate they are.

     

     

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  8. On 2/24/2024 at 12:31 PM, Mat68 said:

    Mahomes was a pretty big upgrade over Alex Smith.  The team was also good enough to clinch the 2nd seed.   Compare the 2018 KC Chiefs roster vs the 2018 Buffalo Bills roster.  The outcome would not be the same.  Most likley, Buffalo is exactly where we are now and Allen is on the Chiefs winning with better teams.  

    People forget that McD/Bean gutted the Bills offense for the 2018 season.  That unit was bad.  The fact that Allen showed glimpses of the great QB he would become with that group around him is amazing in hindsight.  A lot of rookie QB's would have been knocked out of the league facing what Allen faced his rookie year as a starter.

     

     

  9. 3 hours ago, Nklaiste1 said:

    Unpopular - Allen isn't nearly as good as people think. I just don't view him as "top tier" quarterback as most people do. I can't put my finger on it exactly but he's just missing something. 

     

    A lot of people would have said something like this about Mathew Stafford when he played at Detroit.  Then he was traded to LA and won a Super Bowl.  You might want to look at coaching & the Bills roster rather then Allen here.

     

     

  10. 12 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

     

    I very much doubt that Allen would have had a lot of success in KC's offense this year.

     

    I believe that the Chiefs would have had a better regular season record with Allen at QB this season and still would have won the Super Bowl.

     

     

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  11. On 2/15/2024 at 2:03 PM, SaulGoodman said:

     

    I definitely haven’t said that Mahomes hasn’t had any advantages. He had a lot of offensive talent around him in his first few seasons, his defense was very good this year, and his coach is great with quarterbacks. But a lot of these narratives are bogus. You can’t say that the Buffalo staff could never scheme someone open when the very play we’re talking about was taken from the Bills. And you can’t say that Allen’s been at a disadvantage in terms of offensive talent the last few years. 
     

     

    You can absolutely say that Allen's has been at a disadvantage versus the Chiefs during the last "few years" if you define "few" as 3 years.

     

    *  During the 2021 season the Chiefs had Kelsey AND Hill, and Andy Reid, enough said.

     

    *  During the 2022 season the Chiefs had Andy Reid and one of the top 3 rated offensive lines in the NFL the Bills had one of the worst, enough said.

     

    *  During the 2023 season for the first time in Allen's career he had similar talent as Mahomes on the O line & among his skill players.  And the Bills beat the Chiefs during the regular season, finished ahead of them to gain home field advantage in the playoffs and then only lost the game when their FG kicker missed a 44 yard kick in the last 2 minutes.  Oh and Mahomes still had Andy Reid as coach AND a championship caliber defense.

     

     

     

     

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  12. 21 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

    Your first sentence above insinuates that JA never makes an inaccurate throw, which of course is nonsense.

     

    As for the other sentence, people can also tell me the sky is green, even though I can plainly see that it is blue. So I normally go with what my eyes actually see. 😉

    There you go again.  Where in that sentence does it remotely suggest Allen NEVER makes an inaccurate throw?  Rib's point, which is difficult to rationally dispute is that pressure as Allen released the ball impacted the throw and caused him to miss Shakir.  A reasonable & defensible criticism here is that Allen should have stepped up in the pocket a half second sooner and made the throw. But again you demand PERFECTION from Allen and no one else on the team - it's crazy to me.

     

     

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  13. 2 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

    Against the Chiefs, in the final drive, he DID need to do more. On 2nd and 3rd downs, he threw incompletions. If Mahomes was our QB in that situation, he would have thrown a completion (or ran for a 1st down like he did in the SB multiple times), kept the drive moving downfield, and either got close enough for a chip shot FG or got the go ahead TD. If you don’t agree with the latter, you’re lying to yourself.

     

    Btw, I’m not a moron, and have been closely watching NFL football for 50+ years, so I have an “educated” opinion. OTOH, regardless of what all these stats say, people who think JA has no faults are blinded by homerism. I understand the latter, but it doesn’t make it right.

    I don't buy this.  In the 4th quarter Allen drove the Bills 54 yards in 14 plays using 6:23 BEFORE he threw those 2 incompletions.  On that drive Diggs dropped what would have been at minimum a 60 yard completion.  Allen converted one 3rd down and one 4th down on that drive. The FACT remains that while the ending wasn't perfect Allen put the Bills in position to tie the game with less then 2 minutes remaining.  Missing a 44 yard FG in today's NFL is inexcusable.

     

    You are criticizing Allen for not being perfect on that last drive where "perfect" in your mind was to score a TD to go up by 4 with less then 30 seconds to play.  That is an amazingly unrealistic expectation for someone who has been watching football for 50+ years.

     

    For nearly three quarters of the Super Bowl Mahomes could only lead his team to 2 FG's while throwing a bad INT.  He was gifted a TD late in the 3rd quarter after a terrible special teams play by the 49's.  The idea that if Mahomes were the Bills QB playing against the KC defense we would have achieved the PERFECT outcome (TD with very little time left) is purely hypothetical.

     

    Finally, the charges of "homerism" by you and others because some of us debate what we think are your awful takes on Allen is getting old.  NO ONE is saying Allen is perfect and can't improve his game.  What we are saying is that the extent to which Allen can further improve his game is minuscule compared to the other places that the Bills need to improve their play & coaching.  The problems preventing the Bills from becoming a perennial AFC Championship/Super Bowl games participant and winner has almost nothing to do with Allen and almost everything to do with other aspects of the Bills.

     

     

     

     

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  14. On 2/15/2024 at 8:53 AM, May Day 10 said:

    Houston is going to be a major problem for the next 3 years.

    Maybe, maybe not. A lot of us thought Jacksonville was going to be that team this year and look what happened.  The Texans now must clear the first hurdle a bad team must overcome when they become relevant again - repeat it. This is easier said then done as Jacksonville and the NY Giants to name just a couple of recent teams that were unable to do it.

     

     

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  15. 21 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

    Just stop. Did not even make it to the AFCCG. Stats like this mean squat. Just win, baby.

    Where stats do matter is when you're trying to determine where you are falling short and how you get over the hump to "just win, baby".  And Allen's stats are a reminder that he is the Bills best player.  Stats also provide compelling evidence to disprove the morons constantly claiming that "Allen has to do more".

     

     

    13 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

    But in the NFL, QB is BY FAR the most important position, and that one player can make WORLDS of difference. See Tom Brady with the Bucaneers, for example.

    And in the NFL a single player, even a HOF QB considered by almost everyone to be among the best to ever play the position, is not enough.  Just ask Dan Marino.

     

     

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  16. 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

     

    And come to think of it, not listing QB but putting blame on him in your replies gives you the opportunity to argue with everyone who responds... Is this just a thinly veiled hate-on-Josh post for yourself?!?

    I think you're on to something here.  If QB had been listed as a reason for why he Bills had not been more successful the poll would have lost all credibility.  I mean no sane person could list QB as a reason the Bills were not better.  Heck, put Mahomes on the Bills and I am very confident they still would not have won a Super Bowl. 

     

    2 hours ago, FireChans said:

    Who can forget Josh’s elite performances carrying us against the Chiefs, Cowboys, Chargers, Pats #2 and Dolphins to close out the year? McD was just along for the ride as our boy was lighting up the scoreboard. 

    Allen played very well in those games and made some monster plays to help win them.  Also the threat of what Allen can do is a very powerful weapon and Brady deserves credit for using it in ways Dorsey did not.

     

     

     

     

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  17. 1 hour ago, FireChans said:

    See there it is. Why can’t McD hold a lead against the GOAT QB and coach while Josh throws an absolutely TRASH pick to give them life?

     

    You mean like the trash pick Mahomers threw against the 49's in the SB that his D saved his butt on?  Funny how when Allen would throw a pick in the middle of the game giving the team the ball 50 yards from a score it was the turning point but on a championship team like KC it's an opportunity for the defense to rise up.

     

     

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  18. I went with coaching & FO: 

     

    *  Thirteen seconds was the year the Bills win a Super Bowl if not for that total meltdown by the teams coaching staff in that playoff game. With a win in 2021 over the Chiefs in the playoffs at Arrowhead and by definition the Chiefs are no longer the impediment.

     

    *  This season the FO screw ups and MISSED opportunities in 2022 & 2023 kept us from winning the Super Bowl.  I may not be fair here as injury's have an element of bad luck associated with them but the choices to sign Von Miller and not get CMAC and/or DHOP was the difference in the Bills not winning the SB this season.  I know hindsight is 20/20 but is there any doubt that if the Bills had not signed Miller and traded for CMAC during the 2022 season and signed DHOP this off season instead of Floyd there would be a SB parade in Buffalo today.

     

     

     

     

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  19. 19 minutes ago, appoo said:

    This is against an elite defense and Kalil Shakir as his best WR and literally no deep threat on the field. 

     

    Josh doesn't need to do anything more than he's already doing. It's the rest of the team that needs to get better. 

     

    I'm not far from concluding that Josh is a better QB than Mahomes

    AMEN! 

     

     

     

     

    6 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

    I know others in this thread have said, "Josh is great and he's not the reason the Bills haven't won," and I get that idea.   However, the supremely good quarterbacks raise the level of all the players around them.   We're seeing Mahomes, and we saw Brady.  Peyton had it, too.   I don't think Rodgers had it, and I think Allen currently is like Rodgers.  Rodgers has amazing talent, and sometimes his amazing talent wins games for his team.  But Rodgers didn't have his team behind him in the same way that Mahomes and Brady do/did.  Rodgers demands that his teammates follow him; Mahomes brings his teammates along with him. 

     

    Allen does elevate the players around him and that is exactly what he did with guys like Beasley, Brown, Sanders, McKennzie, Foster and others.  The fact is all the great QB's out there such as Mahomes & Burrow elevate those around them.  The difference between them and Allen is how far they must elevate those players to get to the Super Bowl.  Burrow in 2021 had to elevate his WR group a lot less then Allen did in 2022 & 2023 and Mahomes this season had to elevate his coaching staff a lot less then Allen did in 2021.  Does anyone think that Spags & Reid blow that lead with 13 seconds left if the situation had been reversed and Mahomes had just threw that TD?  I don't.

  20. 17 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

     

    You'd be crazy to argue that McDermott is on a similar level as Reid, I won't pretend otherwise.

     

    I was on the "let's move on from McD" bandwagon for most of the season, and I'm still kind of there (purely from a philosophical perspective that Offensive HCs are inherently better choices in the modern NFL). I'm not going to pretend that McDermott is a bottom tier coach though, just because he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't.

    I agree and yes I do believe we can win a SB with McD IF he and Bean change the direction of the teams draft & FA signings to work at surrounding Allen with the best possible players and IF Brady is the real deal at OC. At the same time it will be a lot harder to win a SB with McD then with an offensive minded head coach.

     

    And what makes this station so frustrating to me is that McD is NOT a bottom tier coach he is actually in the top half of coaches.  But living in Cincinnati all these years allowed me to experience Marvin Lewis who also was a good but not great coach who resurrected a dead franchise. IMO the only reason McD has had some playoff success whereas Lewis went 0 - 7 in the playoffs is Allen. 

     

     

     

     

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