GunnerBill
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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:
Yeah both scenarios would be a great draft for Arizona...my only issue is with it is that I don't think Mitchell gets to the 20th pick.
But the net of both our moves were a little more different: In yours you got MHJ and Mitchell and have 2 thirds left and 1 fourth. In mine, I got Odunze and Wiggins and have 5 thirds (4 of them early thirds) and two early 4th round picks. And if that trade really happened between AZ and Giants, AZ likely gets more than what I took in that mock because of the bidding war will drive the price up for a QB.
So I would still prefer to the trade backs if I am AZ, but either way, if the draft went the way it did for you, it would still be stellar and something they would be excited about.
They are in a no lose position because they trade back or they get Marvin Harrison (or possibly Nabers as some think they prefer him). If I were them I wouldn't do the Giants trade down. I'm only interested in getting a major haul to give up Harrison. But they may well decide otherwise.
I also don't think Mitchell gets to #20 either. But half a chance Arnold might and I'd have been interested in him there too. Was more just an example of how you have to play the draft as it goes not as you think it will go. Because there are always surprises.
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2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:
I'm not sure he's the best route runner of all WR's but analytics does say he creates better separation than any other wr. Supposedly Buffalo has on last meeiting with Legette, last night, so he may be their target at 28, if the don't move up. I think it's him or Worthy
Where did you see that?
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19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
In Australia the draft already aired, but the whole country has been sworn to secrecy.
I bet they are still tipping picks in the draft thread. Flippin' Aussies.
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On 4/23/2024 at 5:34 PM, Brandon said:
No, I'm not joking at all. I don't think most NFL teams are going to be guilty of it, but outside of that, a lot of people are going to take one look at a white guy playing CB in college and immediately assume that he should move to safety in the NFL. Maybe if he'd posted some pedestrian numbers at his pro day. Instead, it was borderline freakish, especially for a guy one month clear off a broken leg.
Yea he is a freak.
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Just now, boyst said:
Maybe I meant central time. Why you disrespecting Indiana like that?
I don't know what you lot can't be happy with one bloody time!
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4 minutes ago, boyst said:
Huge Breaking news regarding the draft. unconfirmed suggests the draft will be held tomorrow at 7.
I think it's 8 tomorrow......
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With the 20th pick in the 2024 TSW Mock Draft version 3.0, brought to you in association with @Virgil Sports and Media Enterprises, the Arizona Cardinals select:
Quinyon Mitchell, Cornerback, Toledo
I didn't necessarily plan to trade up here but watching the board as all those offensive tackles, quarterbacks, wide receivers and defensive linemen went it became very apparent to me that the value on the board was at corner - where it just so happens the Cardinals have a huge hole. They signed Sean Murphy-Bunting in free agency who is just about serviceable to play one side, but Starling Thomas V, a former UDFA out of UAB is the presumptive starter at the other spot. They need an upgrade. Mitchell is the top corner on my board and has the potential to develop into an elite corner in the NFL with his size, speed and competitiveness. Trading up 7 spots for him while swapping one of my three thirds for a fourth was a no-brainer.
I think what is most interesting about this scenario is @Alphadawg7 did the Cardinals in v2.0, traded back at both picks and ended up with Odunze and Wiggins. I've stood pat at #4 and traded up and snagged Harrison and Mitchell. Both scenarios I think would make Arizona better immediately. Proof that there are multiple ways to play it and you have to let the way the board falls drive your decision making over and above getting fixated on players or positions.
The aforementioned @Alphadawg7 and the Miami Dolphins are now on the clock.
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My kitchen is being done up at the moment so I'll be sitting in a dusty lounge full of stuff that should normally be in a kitchen trying to make enough coffee to stay awake, eating food that doesn't require cooking and playing a full part in the draft thread on here while marking off my board as we go.
I am more of a two laptops guy than a two tv screens guy.
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1 minute ago, Estro said:
Sportsbooks more than agree.
Over under on wrs picked is 5.5
Over under on OL is 9.5
Yea OL more generally is even more a lock. I suppose some of the guys could be classified in other spots.... but my guess is:
Alt, Fashanu, Fuaga, Latham, Mims, Guyton, Morgan all go and are called tackles. Then I think Fautanu will be called a tackle, he will definitely go. And possibly Barton who might go and might be called a tackle.
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18 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
Yes, it is. I'm not going to speculate as to why because that conservation could get heated and go off the rails very quickly, but it is a fact.
It's not true. It was 2003, you are right about that, but it is a common misconception that it was Sehorn. It was someone who played for either the Benglas or the Browns. Forget which.
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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
More OTs will go than WRs on Thursday. That is an absolute lock IMO.
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1 minute ago, H2o said:
Mitchell was selected by Jax.
The non-WR version.
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Just now, mrags said:
I said Worthy, not @Gugny
He's already had that experience. The puma loved it.
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11 minutes ago, mrags said:
That’s why you make the move for Worthy. BTJ is the smokescreen all along. It’s SPEED they want. We’ll call him The Flash. He’ll be injected with Puma sperm before every game. No DBs will have a chance at him
I volunteer to inject Worthy with sperm.
Oh... puma sperm you say? Meh.
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If they trade up to #19 only Thomas makes sense to me. Because the rest are likely available at #28 or with a very small trade up.
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2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Yes, Sammy gave the passing game a significant boost.
But he didn't give the win-loss record a boost at all. They scored four more points the year they brought in Sammy than they did the year before. What happened that year is the D got better and they won three more games, moving up to 9-7 and not doing any better than that very mediocre 9-7 for Sammy's whole tenure.
And the goal isn't to give the passing game a significant boost, or it shouldn't be. It should be to give the whole team a significant boost.
They should draft a WR in the top two rounds. Maybe even do a trade-up of a few spots.
When you have Josh Allen at Quarterback I think one may well lead to the other.
I'm not saying the Bills have to trade into the top 10. I was responding to the idea that a first round receiver pick wouldn't necessarily be the #1. I think it is very likely someone they take at #28 would be the #1 receiver in 2024. It is almost a guarantee someone they traded into the top 10 for would be the #1 on this team in 2024.
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39 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Does someone really believe that the WR that the Bills draft will not be their number 1 immediately?? 😂😂 Is that for real? The Bills have a solid slot WR with good production on low volume. They have a gadget guy that is good with the ball in his hands. If we do not understand that the draft pick walks off the bus as the alpha in the WR room we do not understand the current WR room.
Indeed even the much lamented Sammy Watkins came in and WAS our number 1 immediately. That that is a trade that was seen to have failed for obvious reasons. But in 2014 he stepped onto the field as our #1 in week 1 and had 900+ yards. He had 1,000 yards and 9 touchdowns his second year. The reasons it fell apart after that are well documented and the Bills definitely drafted the wrong guy from that receiver class. But even then that guy gave their passing game an immediate and significant boost.
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14 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
The best route runner? According to who?
We need an X guy and Ladd isn't that.
He is not the best route runner in the draft. If the argument was he is the best route runner outside the top 3.... I could buy that. Of that next group: Thomas, Legette, Mitchell, McConkey and Worthy - which it does seem is increasingly seen as the consensus next cluster - Ladd is the best route runner in terms of precision route running.
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25 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
I'm not as high on Lamb as many are.
I love Jefferson and I like Aiyuk
Yea but that is just another of your strange foibles.
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24 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
good being the operative word there
only one really GREAT one, and a couple pretty good.
There are two first team all pros - Lamb and Jefferson. But Aiyuk has been a second team all pro as has Calvin Ridley. Then you have Cooks and Moore who have been #1s at points of their careers - although probably lower end #1s. That is 6 good players. All of those at their best would be by far and away the best receiver on the Bills in 2024.
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11 minutes ago, Gregg said:
Wilson has been in the league a few years now. He has all the physical skills to play QB at the NFL level but it's the mental part of the game where he is completely lost. At this point he is trending towards bust territory.
I agree, he is. Which is why I wouldn't go for him as a backup. But if you are the Broncos in a take a punt on anything mode I see why the possibility that it was a Jets problem is worth a 7th round pick.
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16 hours ago, Einstein said:
And Trubisky has zero trade value.
He was released by the Bears just 1 year after the Jets released Wilson and the Bills got him on a 1 year, $2M deal. He had no market then and he has no market now.
Steelers record with Trubisky: 2-6
Steelers record without Trubisky: 17-9I'm not sure how it gets much clearer than that.
Zach Wilsons record sucks too, but the Jets suck with or without Wilson. He did not drag them down like Trubisky dragged the Steelers down. As mentioned prior, Zach Wilson beat 3 playoff teams last year. Took the Super Bowl champs to the final minute too.
I don't think the Steers W-L thing is the slam dunk you think it is. Pittsburgh wins games based on its defense. In the past two seasons, Trubisky's era there, they have won 19 games. In only 3 of those have they given up 20 points or more.... the starters in those three games were one each for Trubisky, Pickett and Rudolph.
I wouldn't want either as my starter. But I'd take Trubisky over Wilson as my backup 100 times out of 100. Now if I was Denver and I didn't have a QB I'd take Wilson because who knows... maybe there is something untapped that freed from the Jets can come out. We definitely know at this stage who Trubisky is. But his floor is comfortably higher than Wilson's.
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1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:
I agree with all of this. I just wonder if maybe one of those receivers goes to provide extra capital to get where they want to be. PFT suggested using Jefferson to get to #2 last night. I'll make it in a roundabout way - perhaps they use Jefferson to get draft capital to use to flip to get to 2 or 3. Or maybe Addison tickles the fancy of someone to move up. Or maybe it's Addison that gets moved to acquire the extra draft capital. Could 11, 23 and (for argument's sake) 28 get them where they want to be? I don't see how that doesn't get them to at least #3.
The problem getting into the top 3 is those 3 teams all want Quarterbacks. Both Washington and New England have taken calls and politely declined from what I hear. Maybe if the wrong one is left at #3 New England's stance on that changes on draft night. They might only like 1 guy but while there is a chance he is there they don't want to move. But realistically I think #4 is where Minnesota will end up getting. That wouldn't need a receiver thrown in and I think they'd be loathed to do it. If they end up needing to help out a rookie having Jefferson and Addison to use is no bad start.
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4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
Rumor is that QB's will go 1-4 so that drops the top 3 WR's a bit and one of those guys might fall out of the top 10. It wouldn't be too crazy to think they could get to around 10 if they gave up next year's #1 while still maintaining a high 2nd rounder (Vikings 2nd from Diggs trade) which could act as their 1st if they believe they are going to pick around 30 anyhow. Vikings 2nd is likely top 35-40 so they wouldn't be totally screwed for next year.
Rome Odunze - welcome to Buffalo
I agree with most of this though I'm not sure I buy that the Vikings are going to suck quite that bad. That pick is more likely 40-45 than 35-40 I reckon. 35 would mean they have the third worst record in the league I just don't see that. They still have a very good oline, two excellent receivers, a good tight end.... okay QB is a complete unknown but I'd be surprised if they were total suckitude with their talent.
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I have a problem with Cooper Dejean type players
in The Stadium Wall
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That's the guy!