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14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
There's really no way of doing this before June 1st and it would be really hard to pull off even after.
Even with a re-done contract, we have to be able to take it on as is first before a Trade is approved.
I am on the fence on this whole thing, leaning to the against it side.
But I believe the solution for June 1 is for Aiyuk to sign an extension on SF paper the trade.
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25 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:
With the cap creativity out there, I find it hard to believe. Especially with Tre opening $10M in June. And restructuring options we haven't used yet.
And right after everyone said it was impossible that we trade Diggs.
Not going to check all the posters, but I don't think the people saying "We can't afford to move on from Diggs" and "We can't afford to sign Higgins/Aiyuk" are the same people.
I was part of the "We can 100% move on from Diggs and it is very advantageous for the receiving team" camp.Higgins and Aiyuk would have to come with extensions. I think it "could" be done. The issue is what is the direction this team is going in regards to roster management? I think they likely want to get out of some of their hefty vet contracts, get younger, and get out from under some more hefty vet contracts. I am not sure immediately bringing in a $30M receiver fits in there.
That said IF the Bills are going to do that with either I would prefer they take a swing at the bigger and more physical receiver in Higgins over Aiyuk. I like BR, but he doesn't $30M excite me.I wouldn't be shocked if the Bills go down the path of OBJ or similar route in a post June 1 move. But I also won't be shocked if they want to roll as much of Tre's $10M over to 2025 either.
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3 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:
Counterpoint is that it took Aiyuk 3 years to become that dude. We can’t afford to waste 2-3 years of prime Josh waiting on somebody to develop into WR 1. Plus Aiyuk thrived in a ball control, RB utilized offense where he still put up big numbers without a huge number of targets.
Not that all rookie WR's hit the ground running but Aiyuk had 748 yards (5TD), 825 yards (5TD), 1015 yards (8 TD), and 1342 yards(7TD) with a round robin of Jimmy G, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard, Tre Lance, and Brock Purdy as his QB's
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2 hours ago, Just Jack said:
Let's see if the Bills publicly acknowledge it.
The Bills?Ford is getting ready to release a commemorative 2 Bronco for 2025. That bad boy tops out at 28 mph.
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There was some complaint about the 10 year length on the PSL's up thread. That likely coincides with right around Josh Allen's retirement. I would assume that is by design once the market resets?
Based on the Sabres, the terrible upkeep of KBC, and Pegula pulling out of Blue Cross Arena lease in Rochester, I have every expectation that he becomes a bad tennant and the team tanks.He will want to stick his hand in the honey jar one more time before that happens.Edit: I was corrected on the timeline down thread. I still have little faith in Terry Pegula.
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8 minutes ago, Just Jack said:
Syracuse University requires a "donation" to their Cuse Athletic Fund to buy season tickets. While not calling it a PSL, it's still an extra charge to have the privilege to buy season tickets.
They aren't PSL's. You don't own the right to the seat for other events, you get no priority, and they are only for one single season.
Ultimately these are just itemized season tickets broken down into ticket and profit. But because SU is non-profit that profit is considered a "donation" and that donation is tax deductible. Also the total "all in" cost of a season ticket to SU Football is between $99 - $650 INCLUDING the tax deductible donation.Good luck telling the IRS your PSL is a donation.
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What a shame. So unfortunate he could never find the real killer.
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I was having a conversation with a buddy over a couple of beers about good o'l Ter-Bear and one of us said "well it is his team" regarding all things Pegula Sports. Then it occured to me that with an $850M subsidy, all his sports teams playing in buildings with publicly paid for money, and he gets to barely keep up with his lease agreements. At what point do the teams become at least in some part a public good like the philharmonic, the Adirondack's or SUNY?
I know it is the way the world works. I know it is what every municipality does and this was always coming. It is really driving me crazy at the moment. It is insane to me that that $850M is equal to UB's entire budget, in theory we could have waived tuition for every student at UB for an entire year, and in return we get an owner who took the money and treats the gift like some sort of timeshare grift.
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On 1/12/2024 at 2:53 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:
This doesn't make a lot of sense. Diggs' numbers have been among the best in the league and the Bills have been in heavy contention every year. Yes, they haven't won the Super Bowl yet, but I don't see how "completely wasted" makes any sense at all.
Talking about Diggs like he was Chad Johnson playing with a zero-knee'd Carson Palmer and Mike Brown as the owner. LOL.
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Seems odd to ask "how do you feel about the player" and then have an option to vote for his character. When you ask about "the player" it seems like we should be asking about what happens between the hash marks not the locker room.
Anyways, there has to be some middle ground between "cancer" and "GOAT". It feels like "Wall of Fame", "Bills Legend", and "Best Bills WR ever" are nearly identical.
The player is on pace to go into the "Hall of Very Good" not the HoF.The Bills have not been very good in a long time so the "Best Bills WR ever" crowd isn't very big. But he is a full standard deviation below Andre Reed and James Lofton. Not even in the same class. I think Diggs likely projects a career out similar to Chad Johnson. I do think Ocho Cinco was a better receiver at his peak but with much worse QB play.
Diggs is fine. He may have one or two very good to great years left in the tank. We might wine here and there about missing him in the offense. But the BIlls were never going to take a $30M per year cap hit for the next 4 years to keep him on the roster. I am not sure having him on the roster for $30M each for the next two is work it. Based on the WR trade market this year it looks like they got good return and traded him when his value was high.He is likely going to bounce around on $12-15M deals for a while like OBJ does.
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23 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
He is somewhat living off of his 2020 season still, which was close to elite.
But his yards per target over the last 4 years is actually higher than Diggs 4 years here in Buffalo.
DK would be a Davis replacement not a Diggs replacement. You don't pay DK the kind of money he will likely command when you pay your QB top tier money.
That said, if DK is willing to take ~$12M-ish when his contract is up.*
(He won't)
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There isn't a "Keep some cap like the Bills did" in the NFL.
This isn't the NHL. There is no "negotiating' cap space in roster movement. For the most part teams can either restructure existing contracts which is a predetermined formula, cut, or extend (to move some things around). There are no Jeff Skinner situations in the NFL where you try and move a player and negotiate what you keep and what you don't.
That said DK's dead cap number is much higher than his cap hit on the roster. It wouldn't make any sense for Seattle to move on before June 1 if at all.
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3 minutes ago, BRH said:
I was just thinking about that this morning. His HOF candidacy will now turn on whatever he's able to do in Houston and/or wherever he goes after next year. If he lasts another five years and doesn't win anything, he'll probably get in as a compiler after having to wait awhile. He has had exactly one memorable positive playoff moment (and it wasn't in Buffalo). Andre is seen as a compiler and had to wait a long time; he had seven Pro Bowls to Diggs' four and at one point he had more Super Bowl receptions than any other WR, plus he had that three-TD second-half performance in the Comeback. Diggs gotta do some work if he wants to be seen on that level.
If he gets in it will be because classes keep getting bigger and the favoritism towards skill positions.
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3 hours ago, Dibs said:
Here I stand, watching the Chiefs celebrate, alone on the field. My teammates have all gone. Not that they don't have drive and passion, or feel the sting of loss. They do, but not like me. I feel the sting like no other. That is why my teammates, my friends, my Brothers have gone inside, and I stand here, alone on the field.
I am going to the hospital to see my fallen comrade and Brother in arms who defied death on the field today. I go as is required by what is true and right, for there is no greater bond than that of Brothers under fire. I do not think less of my teammates or coaches for all going back to Buffalo. There are not many who are burdened like I am. My heart and determination drive me onward. Though you be in a coma Dalmar, fear not, for I am coming.
I do not know for how much longer I can hold this team at this level. I tell them they need to do the things that I do to sustain greatness, but they do not listen. They do not understand for they are just Josh, or Sean, or Tre, or Von, and I am Him. I am Him upon whom my Brothers can rely. I am Him who will work, and toil, and bear the load for all. I am Him who will always stay loyal to those I love. I am Him, but they will not listen, and I fear that they will not be helped.
These thoughts were those solely of Dibs' imaginings and should in no way be taken or inferred as to be factually from Diggs' head.
This gets talked about so often, but as of right now Stefon Diggs is not on pace to be a HoF WR. What is this greatness that Stef has? The board should have an autocorrect that changes this to "very-goodness".
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10 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:
Am I the only one who opened this thread expecting to see a story about how Brandon Beane was getting his MD this year?
That would have been a better post.
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4 minutes ago, NewEra said:
He gets plenty of criticism on this board. He also gets plenty of applause. Do you think the national media should be shredding him? Should Pegula call a pc to inform everyone that Beane isn’t getting a pass?
What shall we do ensure he doesn’t get a pass?
Not sure what the point of this thread is.
Struggling to find it now, but I swear I read something the other day that Terry hasn’t actually spoken to the media/taken questions since something crazy like 2019 for the Sabres and 2020 for the Bills. dates might be a little off, but I think that’s close.
I would absolutely kill for Terry Pegula to address the new stadium, PSL’s, anything regarding the Sabres, why the fork he backed out of his Rochester Americans lease 11 years early, or why he has refused to keep up with general maintenance with the KBC.
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1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
interesting whether true or false who knows
I like that the premise here is that in the first 30 days of the new league year Brandon Beane called his buddy, a guy who spent 65 days on the practice squad back in 2021, to tell him about an interaction he had with Diggs.
I don’t know if this is true, but its 1000 foot view is. Diggs was becoming too big a pain in the ash. They no longer believed he was a $30M pain in the ash so they moved on.
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2 hours ago, Blackbeard said:
We should definitely fire him. Imagine. Trading away Stephen Diggs.
The nerve!
I can be super critical of Beane. I don't know WTF OP is talking about.
That said, we have seen what Terry Pegula is capable of if you look just a few miles down route 5 at the Buffalo Sabres. It ain't good.
The Bills should never ever let go of Brandon Beane. Him and Josh Allen are the only two people protecting this team from Terry Pegula and historical suck-itude. -
It has been pretty well noted that Terry Pegula keeps a pretty tight leash on local reporters and won't hesitate to go as far as pulling credentials for being critical of management for either major team.
In some ways Buffalo is a tough market. But in others Terry has a lot more control of the market compared to a lot of other football, hockey, or basketball markets across the country. I don't think Pegula could hack it as the owner of a team in Philly, NY/NJ, Boston, Dallas, or even other mid-markets like Pittsburgh and San Fran.-
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23 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
With all respect, that's not enough. 4 guys getting 900 yds is 3,600 yds. That would represent a 700 yd dip in what was already a second "down year" for Allen with only 4300 yds passing.
It would also be asking a 7 year vet to exceed his previous career year (possible), asking Shakir AND Kincaid to jump 50% in their production, AND asking a 3rd guy to step into the mix and push 1000 yds.
That assumes that only 4 people catch footballs. in 2023 13 different players caught footballs for the Bills. 9 of them had double digit receptions. 9 players could make up 700 yards.
The top 4 WR for the Bills last year had 3200 yards combined. 400 yards less than your "not good enough" prognostication for 2024. The bottom 9 of 13 players who caught footballs in 2023 contributed nearly 1100 yards.
So if the Bills get similar production from the bottom of the roster, @khlax3 scenario actually mean it would be an improvement from 2023.
You are also way overplaying the difference between a 4300 and 4500 yard season. There is certainly a discussion to be had about why one season is better or worse than another for Josh, but the 200 yard difference in passing is way down the list of things worth mentioning.
There is room to color outside the lines on what OP is saying without taking it so literally. The Bills passing game will likely have more equitable distribution in 2024 and that may very well be a good thing.-
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6 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
Diggs wants to play with his brother in Dallas. That's why he agreed to void those years.
They were always voidable. All Houston did was move the very small amount of bonus money he had left on his contract to 2024.Otherwise he was cutable almost any time with next to zero cap ramification.
The Houston restructure is a giant nothing burger.
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
He did not give money back to them. The opposite - they gave extra guaranteed money, from next year, to him.
The Texans are definitely giving him the red carpet, "I am a #1 WR, woo me" guy.It's very puzzling to see the disparity between that, various pundit takes, and listening to Cosell on OBD - who is not a Bills shill, he is "Facts on Tape"
1 hour ago, Virgil said:It's going to be really interesting to me how this plays out in Houston this year. With Diggs in a prove it year, he's going to want to be the guy and really drive up his value. Houston has a lot of options on that offense and Diggs may not get what he wants. However, Diggs also can't go full Diva if he doesn't get the production he wants, as that could also scare off other teams.
Either way, I think he will end up in Dallas. For how much and how long....who knows?
Playing catch up on the day.
Diggs has always been tradable post restructure with Buffalo because it relieved all cap responsibility from the receiving team bar one $3M bonus. Which is honestly fairly minimal
The $18M-ish per year cap number hovers around mid-teens (among WR cap hits) year over year. He isn't expensive in comparison to his peers. If he didn't perform to a mid level no 1 WR he was always cut-able on short notice for next to zero cap implications.
Stef has always been a decent trade for the receiving team. Some posters just got hung up on "$31M in dead cap" so they quickly labeled him "untradable". The disciples over at Cover 1 helped carve this fake news into stone. But ultimately the facts have not changed, and the facts are why we got a 2nd for Stefon Diggs and LAC got a 4th for Keenan Allen.-
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24 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Seems like the Diggs toxic card is being well reported currently.
Right. I don’t disagree that he is a huge pain in the ass. I just think that C1 is way over playing it.
I don’t think they are parroting stuff they know is wrong to defend themselves. I think they lack a real fundamental understanding of Diggs salary cap situation and have for the last year or so.
And because they are wrong about the cap stuff it causes them to put too many eggs in the”Diggs is the most toxic player ever” basket.
I think Diggs was a really difficult teammate and that has caused him to be on the chopping block for quite sometime. But to continue parroting he was some sort of gangrene that risked rotting the whole team is false.
His trouble vs cap hit vs production no longer made sense and was worth $3M and a 2nd. It is that simple.
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
Cover 1 with the tweet
For context they’ve been saying they thought Diggs was a slam dunk restructure this offseason.
They don’t understand the Diggs contract situation at the most fundamental level so they are overplaying the “Diggs is the most toxic player ever” card.
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DeVonta Smith - 3 yr $75M, $51M guaranteed - Does this kill any Bills trade talk for a star WR?
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I am not a believer in Jalen Hurts yet. He hasn't shown me to be a good enough passer to make up for his cap number once it starts coming into play.