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27 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Nope, that won't work if you want 2 early WR picks, imo. Even if you stick at #28 or trade back, #60 is not a good spot. There will be a run on WRs starting at the top of the second and petering out somewhere in the mid-forties. Have to move up, and you can get pretty high up from #60 with one of those 2025 seconds.
You need a RB2 somewhere in the draft, and it would be foolish not to pick up OL depth.
I’m flexible at 60 - if they don’t like the WR pick another position. My point is - accept a bit of step back and get good players. I’m not forcing WR in any round this year.
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31 minutes ago, H2o said:
I'm not expecting a down year of any kind. The offseason talk right now is the same exact offseason talk we heard last year. "Two teams in our own division had passed us, this, that, blah, blah, blah," all by the sports network bobbleheads. We're getting Milano back, and one would hope we can have some better fortune on the injury front this year. Also, the young guys like Torrence, Bernard, Williams, and even Spencer Brown should all be better. One would hope Epenesa's numbers increase with more playing time.
I also don't see us as being "paper thin" on defense either. We are transitioning a bit in our DB group, going younger at Safety and cutting Tre. We re-signed Rapp and brought in Mike Edwards at Safety. We let Dodson walk. We added some different, but no worse by any means, depth at DT. We let Floyd walk after a single season, but he faded big time down the stretch after the 2nd Jets game in mid-November. We probably need to add a DE between the 1st and 4th. I know there are guys that I like which fall into that range. I'm sure they have their board set up as well. We probably need to add another depth Safety and another depth CB (maybe 2), both positions which McD and Beane seem to have an eye for. Maybe another depth LB or two depending on what they want the roster to look like. We have 10 picks. If we draft 1 DE, 1 Safety, 2 CB, and 1 LB that's 5/10. Get 2 WR's and that's 7/10. The other 3/10 just a mix and match of whatever.
Ok - you could be right. I just look and see zero depth at safety and iffy starters there. I see only Elam who has shown very little as depth at corner. I think anything they get from Miller at DE is a bonus and, while I like Epenesa, I don’t think he and Rousseau form a particularly potent pass rush pair. There really is no depth behind Oliver either. I see a good pass rusher as a big need. A corner to start in case Benford or Douglas get hurt as a big need - and that guy will likely have to start next year as Douglas ages out. I guess they can live with Rapp and Edwards, but I don’t think they are ideal.
Fixes to those problems aren’t all coming in this draft. Now, if the offense adds a couple of dynamic receivers, maybe they can out score everyone, but I don’t think that is the way to a championship.
I certainly hope you’re right.
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45 minutes ago, H2o said:
I'm good with us grabbing a couple of WR's in the draft between the 1st and early 4th. Still, I think many people see us having added Samuel (who was almost as productive as Gabe was for us in the Commanders offense with Sam Howell as his QB) and think that is a help. They also think the other guys were taking away targets from Shakir, who proved to be a solid and sure-handed weapon down the stretch.
I don’t think anyone believes that the Bills are all set at WR. To me, they need 2, but that won’t solve all of their problems by itself. So, I feel a modest down year coming. Get at least 1 receiver, maybe 2 if they are BPA in 1st and 2nd, but don’t expect that will solve the problems of being paper thin on defense this year.
The thing I want to avoid is trading next year’s early picks. They are set up well to get competitive again next year - don’t give those picks away.
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Just now, gonzo1105 said:
Oh I don’t think it’s a guarantee the Dolphins take him but I believe someone in the 27 picks before us will.You could be right, but I think his 165lbs will be a concern for many teams in the first. I do think he will go in the early-mid 2nd
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23 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
Everytime I’m ready to go with my mock , I change my mind about things. One thing I’ve been consistent on is Worthy going before the Bills pick. I think Miami loves him and another team before 28 will take a chance on him.
I think we may be seeing everything through or lens of “wr or bust”. While possible, I think Miami will go another position first, unless Waddle is due a big payday. They will need to pay Tua next year or find another QB.
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10 hours ago, Beck Water said:
The difference between Bernard and Shorter to me, is that Bernard was practicing with the team and was active for 16 games in 2022 - he mostly played ST, but did get one start and took snaps in 4 other games.
Shorter, on IR, couldn't even practice with the team.
I think Shakir has shown he's capable of playing in the NFL, but if Beane is counting on him to "elevate" and play a much much larger role -
We Shall See, I guess.
He might not have physically practiced directly with the team, but I believe he could watch and then work separately. He said that he really learned and worked hard on improving. There is no guarantee that he will be good enough, but I think he has put in the work. I’m not sure that he isn’t as good a prospect as Keon Coleman- both have size and lack desired top end speed and sharp cutting ability.
I would not count on Shorter as an answer as the starter, but it’s possible he shows out.
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31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
A WR at 60 is basically a 3rd round prospect. Can’t expect too much right away.
I agree, but while his upside could be pretty high, he (Walker) has quite a way to go to get there.
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6 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:
I dont disagree that he might try to get up there but I think it will be difficult to get up there. Really the teams that would be willing to trade are maybe Atlanta, Chicago(if they don't want Odunze themselves), Tennessee(looking OT and can still get one at 28) and maybe if Odunze slips to 12 Denver is in play. Those seem like really the only options.
I also think there is a good possibility that Arizona trades down but with NYG instead of Minnesota so they can grab another premium pick while still getting Nabers or Odunze at 6. I just see it as an unlikely road not impossible but unlikely. I would love Odunze as I have him as my # 2 WR.
I was and am still on the McConkey train for the Bills as well. I just have a huge gut feeling that the pick is going to be Keon Coleman. The more I think about it the more he fits their model of person and he is different than what they have in the room.
He does a lot of things the Bills would love. He's a hard worker, hes a great teammate, he's a leader in the Florida State locker room, he's a big WR that they don't have, he goes out of his way to block instead of just standing there. Those are the little things the Bills love. His greatest strength is YAC ability, something the Bills have struggled with and continue to struggle with so hopefully he would mitigate that issue. On top of that Keon Coleman is 20 years old and there is a lot of evidence that the Bills love taking younger players with their first round picks and Coleman definitely fits that mold as he'll be 21 years old when the season starts. He could be another interchangeable part for the Bills playing inside and outside the numbers and he is a good athlete as he played both D1 Basketball and Football.
This doesn't include the fact that the Bills met with him at the Combine and then brought him in for a 30 visit as well. He's not my # 1 choice and maybe I'm looking too much into it but Coleman checks a lot of the Bills character and player arch boxes.
You’re argument makes a lot of sense, but they might really regret spending that pick on him. I just can’t get over his inability to get open consistently.
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7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Franklin if they trade back.
Thomas and Worthy at 28 or trade up. Walker at 60 if they go a different direction at 28. If they trade down I think Franklin would be a target.
Walker has great size and speed, but the Senior Bowl showed that he isn’t able to compete well with the big boys - maybe he can improve.
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1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said:
Sounds like he thrives in that Shakir zone. I heard Bean says he's not concerned with a true #1 WR. So maybe it's this guy!? Makes me nervous to think the GM thinks we don't need a true #1. Time that sounds like more "Josh can and needs to do it all" talk.
I think we could say that KC just won the SB without a true #1. What exactly make a WR a Wr1? Is it the receiver that gets the most targets? Does he have to play the boundary? Can he be a “move” receiver who sometimes is out wide? Can he play predominantly in the slot?
I get the idea that you want a receiver whom defenses have to pay extra attention to to free up other receivers and that WR1 is the “go to” guy.
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23 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
I think they likely view Samuel as eating up the targets for Gabe. I know they aren’t exactly the same player but I think they likely view both Shakir and Samuel as splitting time in the slot and at the boundary.
What they really need is a solid boundary WR who can efficiently take on 70-80 targets and turn that into 50+ receptions and 650-750 yards 5-6 TD’s. You are going to be then counting on Shakir having more production on better volume, Kincaid taking on a bit more in terms of 20 additional targets, and Samuel having a solid season taking the 70-80 targets Gabe has gotten in the past two seasons and making them more efficient.
You don’t necessarily need a rookie to come in a replace all or most of Diggs production but just some of it. I then think adding a boundary WR in round 4-5 as depth rounds out the WR core as out probably need another pure boundary guy to spot start if needed
Just playing devils advocate- I don’t think Miami and its prolific offense have that big boundary receiver. I’m not saying that the Bills shouldn’t try to find one, but I think there are successful offenses that don’t have that.
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18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yep. I have long been there. Matt Harmon thinks the same too.
Gunner: you should do a pod cast! Your analysis is great and you clearly know what you’re talking about.
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11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
This would remove Mitchell from the Bills board I believe.
If that’s true, I would expect them to stay from Mitchell. However, I am old enough to remember Dan Marino free falling in the draft due to rumors that he used cocaine regularly - and that was untrue.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Something has to give right? I can’t see the Bills depending on a 2nd round WR prospect to replace Diggs, which is what we’ll draft at 28.
It’s really fascinating to me.
I believe that Beane made the moves that he did because he saw that that roster had peaked and was fading and to fix the cap. The Diggs trade may not have been planned, but rather forced by team dynamics. Anyway, I think that Beane knows that this roster isn’t championship quality this year. He will do what he can to put a good team on the field, but as I see it, the Bills’ D is paper thin and would need a miraculously injury free season to have any shot this year. I don’t think even the acquisition of Harrison Jr would change that and giving away next year’s 1st and 2nd at significant discount in trade this year would rob them of the picks they need to fix the defense. I just don’t see any big trade giving away early picks next year as a good option.
About the most I would consider would be a trade of one of next year’s 2nd round picks - and I don’t like that idea very much, but it would at least leave them with a full hand of picks for 2025.
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49 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
This would be a really good player at pick 28 - probably a considerably better prospect than the wr they are considering
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3 hours ago, DJB said:
True but Schoen really can’t be feeling comfortable hitching his wagon to Daniel Jones. Something needs to be done at the QB position or he and Dabollare going to be canned after next year
That’s true, but just grabbing the 4th QB does not necessarily solve the problem. They need to be sure that McCarthy or Penix or Nix are any better than Jones plus if they grab a rookie QB they still don’t have any receivers - maybe could get one in 2nd.
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11 hours ago, HappyDays said:
The way I see it is everyone knows it's a weak EDGE class. So I'm just accepting this year our EDGE group will not be a strength of the team. And that's fine. The way to solve that problem isn't by reaching for mediocre talents in the top 75 out of desperation. We solve that problem by trying to build an offense that can simply outpace everybody. We hope that Rousseau takes a big step and Von Miller looks even 50% of what he did in 2022. I would rather bet on that and invest in the offensive weapons than reach for say Marshawn Kneeland at #60 because of a perceived drop off after him. Go all in on the positions that are strong in the draft (namely WR and OL) and accept that we won't be dominant at every single position group this season.
Agree - and I would add don’t trade 2025 picks at a discount this year. There will be holes in this team, this is not the year to “go all in” and trade future picks.
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8 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:
If we use #60 for a trade up or for a second WR, I am concerned about the S position. While I understand not drafting for need, we still need to fill the pipeline.
How would you propose filling the S , and another EDGE, in this off season?
Wouldn't a more modest trade up for a Thomas and preserving our picks this year for S, EDGE, OL make more sense?
I think the answer is that you can’t expect to fill all of those needs in this draft. Just get good players at important positions.
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16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
2nd-3rd.
16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:2nd-3rd.
I agree with you. One of the linked posts said late first/early 2nd. It was Garafolo’s post.
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3 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:
I like Legette too, but I've done dozens of mock drafts and he's always available at 35-40.
Of course that has no bearing on whether he will be or not.
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Kneeland is a late first/early 2nd guy?
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7 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
I think Von will be a solid 8-10 sack guy this year. Came back way early from his torn ACL, year 2 is always the "get close" to form year. Even at his age, he has 1-2 productive years left in this league.
He's highly motivated/hard worker naturally, but also has alot of incentives riding on this year.
JMO. But I'm also hoping Beane uses the post June 1 Tre $$$s on a FA DE. Someone who can be insurance/allow Groot to slide inside on passing downs again.
I think the cap savings from Tre are needed for signing the rookies.
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49 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
I beg to differ about Edge. Like I mentioned, for better or worse, we're likely to roll with Groot and a combo of Von/AJE ( and potential FA signing post June 1st). We're counting on Von to get close to his old form and for AJE to be more consistent.
Next year, Edge will be the biggest need once Von is cut.
As for WR, we "might" have 1 outside WR in Samuel. Bigger than that, we don't have any downfield threats.
We have a starting DL to roll out, we can't say the same about WR
You really want to count on Miller? He *might* be better this year, but I wouldn’t count on that. Really, that can sink their season as easily as wr can.
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3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
I do not see Beane going WR in 1 and 2. We have too many needs.
They do have too many needs - and I don’t think it is realistic that they will fill them all in this draft. For all the talk of owning “so many picks”, they only have 2 of the first 127 picks. My view has changed to finding the best players they can at important positions and just expect to have some unmet needs this year. If that means the first two picks are WR because they are the best players, so be it.
3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:Here are your needs:
WR
WR
Safety
RB 2
DL Depth
OL Depth
LB DepthI would put pass rush up there with WR. If Miller is no better than he was last year the that important position will be split between Epenesa and Toohill.
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Lance Zierlein: Bills should draft 2 WR in the first 3 rounds
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I guess what I was trying to say is they have needs at WR, DE, DT, CB, S and they aren’t going to be able to fills those all this draft (discounting the idea that 5th, 6th and 7th round picks are likely to be real answers). Given that hand, I agree that 1 WR is a must. Especially since I don’t think they will find a decent DE prospect at 60, I would be open to BPA at any of those positions- even if that meant a 2nd WR. I’m not saying that they must take a WR at 60, but I would be open to it if there was a surprise player available.