Solomon Grundy
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@NewEraSo happy to see you talking about my favorite position 😎. I like the guy from Louisville. I think it's Guerendo.
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11 hours ago, HappyDays said:
I'll start off by pointing out every WR we're talking about as a possibility at #28 has a red flag or two in their game. That's inescapable at the bottom of the 1st round. That's why I'm banging the drum for a trade down and then double dipping at WR with our first two picks. Maximize the chance that we get a stud at the position while also picking up a 3rd rounder this year.
I worry that I've been overselling my affinity for Keon Coleman. I don't think he's a true 1st round grade WR - in my eyes only three of those exist in this class. I just think his traits are winning traits in the NFL and that he would mesh well with Josh Allen. The upside pro comparison I would point to is Nico Collins. He also had questions on if he could separate coming out of Michigan, but his size and strength have turned him into a true #1 WR.
I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here - size and strength are winning traits in the NFL. Those traits will allow Coleman to power through press coverage, box out defenders at his route break to create leverage, win the ball in the air, and bully defenders with the ball in his hands. The reason I am especially valuing those traits for the Bills is that I have seen our smaller WRs get pushed around in the playoffs for several years in a row now. I've seen Allen give his WR a chance to win the ball against 1v1 coverage only for the WR to lose the contest.
Of course it's possible he will fail. He isn't going to win with speed or twitchiness. Perhaps he will struggle more than anticipated against physical coverage and he'll be relegated to the slot as some have predicted. I just see a lot people overemphasizing his red flags and underemphasizing his strengths, while doing the opposite with their own favored prospect. Personally I think the talk of separation metrics and contested catch percentage is a lot of bunk. WRs aren't usually creating yards of separation in the NFL. Their job is to create leverage to open up a throwing window. Coleman does plenty of that on film. As far as contested catches, Jordan Travis is a pure college QB that only throws into windows he can clearly see. Zero anticipation and modest arm strength meant that contested catches ended up being more contested than they should have been. There are times on film where Coleman is breaking wide open but by the time the ball gets to him the DB has caught up and made it into the window and is able to easily punch the ball away. With a QB like Allen, the ball will be on him immediately before the CB has a chance to do anything about it. I come away impressed by Coleman's college production because his skill set doesn't mesh well with a pure college QB.
I don't know why Coleman would have issues beating press at the next level. He's already big and strong, and not even 21 yet so he probably has more room to grow into his already NFL caliber frame. He's reportedly very competitive and motivated to cash out in the NFL (some may scoff at this, but money is by far the greatest motivator) so I am confident he'll work hard on his release package. He has the frame of a true X.
To add to this assessment, HE CATCHES THE FOOTBALL!! Think DeAndre Hopkins. Another thing I like about him is when he catches the ball he always fall forward/gain extra yardage. A chain mover so to speak. I just think he is the kind of receiver meant for Buffalo weather.
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6 hours ago, wppete said:
Von talks a lot of nonsense. He should focus on getting healthy and earning that insane contract.
I thought Knox was the new whipping boy🤷
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2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
If he says it then it officially won't happen
Yeah, like OBJ and DHop🤷
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10 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:
All along I've been on the Nabers train, but given the unlikeliness of it to happen given the price it would take, I cooled on the idea until a few mins ago.
Please see below, what Adam Schefter says about what some GM's think about Nabers. He says that NFL teams view Malik Nabers as a stick of dynamite and compare him to Tyreek hill. It starts at the 22:10
On or off the football field? 😎
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7 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:
Where there is smoke … oh wait that was just Beane coming back from the dispensary.
I’m with many here - if they like him, ok in the 2nd, but still not what I would do. I just don’t see him as a receiver worth even a late 1st. I don’t think adding Coleman gets the Bills any more wins than they would get without him.
I’d go a bit higher than “situational pieces”. I think there are several more who have potential to be solid or better starters.
Let's revisit the games last year that the Bills lost because of dropped passes at crucial times or not being on same page as QB.
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On 4/11/2024 at 10:29 PM, Dr. Who said:
Some folks have written extensively pro and con. I can't do them justice briefly. Since I am in the opposition to Coleman, at least at #28, the case against is that historically, WRs with 4.6 forty times have a low rate of success. He doesn't give you explosiveness or separation. He wins contested balls, and he may have a harder time doing that in the pros when the dbs are bigger and faster. Those who like him think he would thrive with Allen, and like that he can bulldoze players on the other side of the ball. We don't have that now, unless Shorter emerges as a player, I guess.
Some analyses suggest that players with his size and relative lack of speed may do well as a big slot, but I don't want a WR that needs to take snaps from Kincaid to be successful. Overall, I prefer Legette if we don't make an expensive play for a big 3 WR or Thomas. I also prefer Mitchell, even though he probably has as many detractors as those who don't want Coleman. And naturally, if we do take him, I hope he will be a smashing success.
Why can't Kincaid play the TE position? Because they have to make room for an overpaid Dalton Knox? Wouldn't Kincaid be more potent there allowing Coleman to play the big slot? Didn't Coleman run one of the fastest 10 yard splits at the combine? Do that equate to explosiveness off the line of scrimmage?
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10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
From Tom's mouth to God's ears
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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:
It would be so “Billsy” to acknowledge you need to get more explosive on offense, only to draft someone slower that Gabe Davis…😉
At least he would CATCH THE BALL!!
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56 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
where does he separate? He has guys hanging on him every play. He has to make highlight reel catches because the corner is with him step for step. He won't win as many of those in the NFL. You have to actually be able to get open
"HANGING" is the proper word to describe how DBs defend him. You can also use the words grabbing and clutching. He WAS the best player on the field that game and that includes Nabers, Thomas and Daniels
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38 minutes ago, msw2112 said:
I agree. The Bills should not issue any kind of public statement in connection with Simpson's death. Nothing good can come of it.
Personally I think it would be sad if the Bills didn't acknowledge his death. He was a GREAT Buffalo Bills player. I've met OJ on multiple occasions throughout my life and he's been one of the most approachable, gracious, ex-football players I've met. I wonder if any of the people that calls him a terrible human being ever met or spoken with him? Maybe he had a Jekyll/Hyde personality. I've had the pleasure of speaking to Dr. Jekyll each time
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RIP JUICE!!
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12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I like him too. He can do a lot of what Diggs did.
There are a lot of guys in this draft that I can talk myself into. Keon Coleman is the only guy that I’m having a hard time with. His separation is just abysmal. With the exception of Nico Collins, the guys with the worst separation over the last decade have sucked as pros. I don’t think that the Bills have the luxury of trying to “beat the odds” with the WRs early.
Go check the draft analysis of Puka Nacua, George Pickens, Drake London. I know Puka and Pickens went later in the draft, but I bet if every NFL team had a do over they would take them higher. What all of those mentioned did well was CATCH THE BALL. What good is a "separator" if they don't catch the ball consistently? Watching Coleman, he leverages his body against opposing DBs and he catches the ball. In every highlight, I don't see many of the DBs pressing him at the line. I see a lot of them clutching and grabbing him. When I watch him, I see a more physical, slightly athletic DeAndre Hopkins.
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“It’s not about timed speed, it’s about game speed.” Student of the game. Perfect fit for Bills, talent and culture wise
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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:
I'm sticking with Keon Coleman. Every draft analyst I follow keeps posting his contested catch percentage and that's the end of the conversation for them. Personally I would bet on his size, strength, and competitiveness. He is not even 21 years old yet so he has room to grow into his skill set. When it all comes together I think he could be a true WR1. He won't separate with quicks but he'll bully defenders through the route, at the catch point, and with the ball in his hands.
He's my guy too!! Mohamed Kamara isn't getting enough props, IMO
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2 hours ago, DCOrange said:
Understand it's probably much more than that chart swaying you, but Legette is significantly lower than Thomas in the career YPRR part of that chart and just on par in terms of the target rate. Mitchell is slightly above them in target rate but below them in YPRR.
He's obviously nowhere near as jacked as DK was, but skillset/usage wise, Thomas is very similar to DK right now IMO.
Jordan Reid has Keon as his #5 WR in this draft. He's a sure nuff alpha dog!!
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21 minutes ago, Logic said:
I keep coming back to two of Brandon Beane's comments. The first was "how many different things can you do? Inside? Outside? How versatile are you?". The second was his repeated mentioning of yards-after-catch.
They both keep bringing me back to Malik Nabers, Xavier Legette, and Malachi Corley.
All three have serious yards-after-catch ability, all three have some degree of inside-outside versatility (Nabers especially).
I think Beane's (and maybe Brady's) ideal vision for a receiving corps is a bunch of guys who can more or less play any of the positions. Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir both have inside-outside versatility. Diggs had it. I think they want it in the guy(s) they draft. I think they want to be able to put Samuel, Shakir, and the draftee(s) out on the field and be able to put any of them in any of the WR spots, without telegraphing to the defense from snap to snap who will be lined up where.
It's probably a dumb and overly optimistic thing to think, but assuming he's not the first WR off the board, I have this weird feeling that the Bills really love Malik Nabers and want to try to find a way to make him a Buffalo Bill. He just ticks all of Brandon Beane's boxes. Explosive athlete, elite production, outstanding after the catch, positional versatility. All of it. He also instantly elevates gives the Bills a viable WR1 and elevates the entire receiving corps in a way that whoever they pick at 28 likely doesn't. Here's hoping I'm right and that Beane is feeling saucy come draft night.I'm going with the guy "that convinces you to forget his timed speed." Played inside/out, physical, good RAC receiver, helluva contested catch guy
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6 hours ago, mrags said:
The more I think about this, the more I think that if the Bills don’t trade up and stay at 28 they will be taking Worthy.
Maybe put out some fake news and say he was in the car with Sweat so he can drop in the draft too😎
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2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:
When you are picking early in each round, it is a lot easier to draft well.
Then you have the Commanders/Redskins....🤷
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I'M LOVING HARRY ENTEN ON CNN RIGHT NOW!! BILLS HELMET AND BILLS PARKA COVERING THE ECLIPSE
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea. I wouldn't hold the Jets up as an example.
Gunner, you can't say that the Jets haven't drafted well with the exception of the QB position
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40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
He still wasn't worth a 1st either.
The Jets didn't think so. They tried to trade back into the 1st rd for him
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25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't think Coleman is a bust. I just don't think he is value at #28 because the flaws are there on film.
I’m going to go back to the Breece Hall debate as far as draft value is concerned. I do understand from your prospective though
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
Where are the plays where you see the separation? Because I've done 6 games of Coleman and way before the combine I was saying I don't see it. He came out of the season with an indicative 1st on my board from tv viewing but when I really sat down and started to break the film down the more I watched the lower I got on him. He doesn't separate and for a guy who doesn't separate he isn't consistent enough at the catch point.
I agree with you on his ability after the catch. I love that element of his game. It is the thing I like most about him. It is another reason why I think he could be a monster of a big slot. He can duke with the ball in his hands or he can just run you over and when he gets up to full speed he is fast enough especially if inside against linebackers and safeties. As for your comps..... Thomas, Marshall and Nacua.... drafted 2nd, 4th and 5th rounds respectively and Drake London I said was overdrafted at the time and so far that looks correct (although London still separated better than Coleman IMO). If the Bills picked Coleman at #60, or with a small trade up in round 2 I'd be fine with it. At #28 or as the first receiver they take after a slight trade back into the top of the second I'd feel like they left better options on the board.
Here’s every target to Keon. Think plays wouldn’t have been made if Josh were throwing those passes?
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NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports Broncos WR Courtland Sutton did not report for voluntary OTAs
in The Stadium Wall
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This is why I like Keon Coleman. Same type receiver, yet with a cheaper price tag