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Here is my official version 1.0 on a first round Mock. I am going to try and find the time to make a 2 rounder at some point as well. Since I am not there yet, I did add what I believe the Bills first pick in the 2nd round will be in the notes below since in this mock I have the Bills trading back a little bit.
- Chicago - Caleb Williams, QB, USC: No brainer here, everything points to this being their guy.
- Washington - Drake Maye, QB, UNC: I have believed him to be the pick over Jayden Daniels, and I have someone I trust who has insight who tells me that which QB is still unsettled and that there are supporters for both Maye and Daniels and he thinks its going to fall Maye when its all said and done.
- New England - Marvin Harrison, Jr: With Washington taking Maye, I think NE opts to take what many see as the best player in this draft.
- *TRADE* - Minnesota (via Arizona): Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU: Minnesota sends their 2 first round picks to AZ to move up and get their QB.
- Chargers - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU: Having lost their top 2 WR's, they add an elite weapon for Herbert, especially with last years first round WR not looking the part yet.
- NY Giants - JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan: Having a QB sitting here that can at least push or challenge Jones is too tempting to pass up for the Giants, although it was hard to pass on Odunze.
- Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame: Having the best OT in this draft fall in their lap here is a gift they sprint to the podium to select.
- Atlanta - Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida St: While I think Atlanta is going to get some calls for this pick, and trading down is tempting, but the chance to add the best pass rusher in the draft is too tempting and we go ahead and stick with the pick.
- Chicago - Dallas Turner, EDGE, Alabama: While I know Odunze is a popular pick here, he is also more of a luxury pick for a team with a long term WR1 already in DJ Moore and they can find a great compliment to him to replace Keenan Allen in the next year or 2 later in this draft with how deep WR is. Chicago instead looks to bolster their pass rush with adding Turner at 9. With 4 QB's off the board already, the trade up interest here was lighter than expected and they decide to make their pick.
- NY Jets - Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia: While someone like Odunze is tempting here, Jets already have a WR1 and look to add what is maybe the biggest mismatch creator of any player in this draft and without question the best TE prospect to come out in over a decade.
- Arizona (VIA TRADE from Vikings) - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington: Cardinals are ecstatic to have moved back and landed extra picks and still get one of the best WR's in this draft who would quite frankly be the top WR in most drafts. They still get their new weapon for Murray and extra draft ammo to boot.
- Broncos - Michael Penix Jr, QB, Washington: With a glaring hole at QB and the largest dead cap hit in history, Broncos look to reset here and bring in Penix.
- Raiders - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo: Draft falls great for Raiders where they have their pick of a top OT or the first CB off the board. With depth at OL in this draft, they opt to take top rated CB in the draft.
- Saints - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn St: With big needs at OT, Saints also have the draft fall well and are able to take the 2nd best OT prospect in the draft.
- Colts - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama: Colts need a lot of secondary help both at Safety and CB. With no safeties worthy of this early of a selection, Arnold comes off the board to help bolster their secondary.
- Seattle - Byron Murphy, DL, Texas: I had originally thought maybe this could be a home for Penix, but I think Denver jumps first. Seattle needs major help on the DL and they make the move here to bolster that unit with someone who can get off the ball and shoot gaps.
- Jaguars - Brian Thomas Jr, WR, LSU: My heart wants to write *TRADE* here and input Buffalo Bills name, just like I wanted to above for Odunze when he got past Chicago (but can't see Jets trading him to us, nor can I see AZ passing on him at 11 the way the draft fell). But, they need in the worst way to find out of Football Jesus is really the guy they thought he was when they drafted him. They need a WR1 bad, and BTJ is too good to pass up here and they rebuff trade offers and get Lawerence a Ridley replacement.
- Bengals - Troy Fautanu, OL, Washington: They have to find a way to keep Burrow on his feet and healthy and are fortunate this a great OT draft early and land one of the best ones in the draft here at 18.
- LA Rams - Cooper DeJean, CB, Rams: I know a lot of people assume they look at DT here, and Newton was tempting, but the Rams biggest 2 needs on defense are IMHO at CB and Edge. I had home town Latu penciled in here, but with concern about his medicals potentially affecting his stock, I think they opt for the swiss army knife himself with Cooper, and they know a thing or two about "Coopers" in LA.
- Pittsburgh - Jackson Powers-Johnson, IOL, Oregon: Steelers need a Center and here is there chance to add the best IOL prospect in the draft who can potentially come in and shore up that C position for years to come.
- Miami - Jer'Zhan Newton, DL, Illinois: With big needs at IOL and DL, they have a lot of options here. But when one of the best DL drop here he is too good to pass up given the guys on their roster now are nothing more than role players.
- Eagles - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson: Eagles need help in a big way at CB, and I think one way or another, Eagles will be going CB here in the draft.
- Arizona (VIA TRADE from Vikings): Laiatu Latu, EDGE, UCLA: Having now 3 first round picks, AZ has the ammo to take the gamble on the concerns on medicals and take one of the best pass rushers in the draft.
- Dallas - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas: The smart move here would be to go OL, and its what I would do if I was the GM. However, Jerry Jones can't help himself here and falls in love with elite speed in that dome opposite Lamb and makes the surprise pick of the first round thus far.
- Packers - Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama: With the trade of Douglas to the Bills, GB looks to the draft to find its next CB opposite Jaire.
- Tampa - Chop Robinson, EDGE, Penn St: Bucs considered IOL here, but the value of IOL vs DL later is greater and make the move to bolster their pass rush now.
- *TRADE* Chiefs (Via Arizona): Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia: Chiefs can't risk waiting on this guy to get any closer to them and make the move to go get him.
- *TRADE* Commanders (Via Buffalo): JC Latham, OL, Alabama: Buffalo was tempted to take a WR here, however, Beane gets an offer to move back and pick up a 3rd rounder we are lacking so Commanders can come get some help to protect their new QB Maye. (BUFFALO sends pick 28 for picks 36 and 78)
- Detroit - AD Mitchell, WR, Texas: Lions benefiting from the Bills trade back land yet another weapon in what could be the most explosive offense in the NFC next year and for years to come.
- Ravens - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR, Washington: A guy not being talked about enough goes here to the Ravens who look to add a playmaking WR who has the best ball skills outside of his college teammate Odunze in the draft giving Lamar their guy with a big catch radius who also plays physical and may be the best run blocking WR in the draft as well.
- 49ers - Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon St: Trent Williams is about to be 36 and their RT was a mixed bag last year, so they look to the future here knowing they need 2 new OT's sooner rather than later.
- Arizona (Via Cheifs) - Graham Barton, IOL, Duke: Another trade down plays right into the hands of AZ where they land IOL help that can come in and compete to start and is versatile to play guard or tackle.
NOTES: I have Buffalo trading back even with Adonai Mitchell on the board, not because I want them to (I think I would prefer to take Mitchell there), but because I think there is some real smoke to the Bills being very high on Troy Franklin. This trade back here I have Buffalo landing TROY FRANKLIN, WR, OREGON at pick 36 while adding a 3rd rounder with pick 78. And between picks 60 and now 78 I think the Bills could add potentially a Pass Rusher and a Safety (or vice versa), including being aggressive to move up from one of those spots using some of the extra ammo we have if someone they covet is there.
Surprises: I think the 3 biggest surprises of the this mock are:
- Dallas taking Worthy over the OL help they need. Just feels like such a Jerry Jones thing to do though.
- Buffalo passing on Mitchell to trade back. I think many feel if Mitchell is on the board he would be our pick.
- Ja'Lynn Polk sneaking in first round. I think most have him as a round 2 guy, but he fits so well the Ravens offense. His combo of size, catch radius and blocking really complement the Ravens offense and I do think he is a great fit there.
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6 minutes ago, Sweats said:
I have contradicted nothing.
I voted yes because everything is negotiable and everything has a price. Would any franchise want to pay the capital involved in wanting JA?....probably not, but you can't rule anything out. Would Beane do his due diligence and at least listen to a decent offer?......probably, but we all know the answer is no. A franchise is a business and they need to see all sides from all angles and consider every scenario for every situation.
........what is your actual point here cause so far, you've been talking out your ass all day and in fact, i would probably get more meaningful conversation from that.
Well you denied saying things you said...so I was just pointing that out.
Point is...you have told multiple people here now that you guarantee that Beane has gotten as many as a dozen trade offers for Allen and you 100% guarantee Beane has considered trading Allen. And then you acted surprised when people pushed back on that notion.
And in some posts you say you 100% guarantee those things...and in other posts when referencing if it really happened you say things like "probably not". So not sure you understand contradiction if you think those things are not contradicting themselves.
But I do agree that a conversation with my rectum would be more meaningful than discussing if Beane has actually considered trading Josh Allen.
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10 minutes ago, Sweats said:
1) I posted nothing about a trade scenario for anyone, let's get that straight. I simply said that if the right offer came along, you can't tell me Beane wouldn't consider it.
2) JA is my favorite Bills player from any era
3) i have zero idea what you're talking about on this point.......kind of feels like you're making this one up to validate your moot point that you have nothing else to add to this, so you just throw a point in there to make it look more official
4) Wow.....you are a piece of work on this point, just making stuff up now. I said that Beane would consider an offer if the right deal came along for his due diligence. I'm sure he has probably heard offers over the past 6 years.
Just making **** up to suit your own narratives.
Ummmmmmm....These You? 👇
7 hours ago, Sweats said:This is a tough one....on one hand, you have the 2nd best QB in the league, but on the other hand, there are some quality QB's in this draft.....unproven, yes, but every QB is unproven when coming out of college and playing their first season in the NFL.
I voted yes, only because if you can get enough draft capital in the next 2 years, you could actually build something special. It seems we're just piecemealing a roster together the past couple of years, but if you can create a structured foundation, you can have a somewhat juggernaut for years to come.....all on a rookie salary.
Would i want this to happen?......probably not, but i wouldn't be upset with it.
5 hours ago, Sweats said:Dude, this doesn't even make sense, but i'll humor you.........Mahomo is a multi-SB winning champion, they ain't letting him go at any cost.
We've got the 2nd best QB in the league with very little team around him. If the opportunity comes up to build a whole roster through structural foundation, all on a rookie deal, you have to at least consider it......i guarantee you that our FO have done their due diligence and have at least thought about it......albeit, probably as just a passing glance, but i'm sure the notion has come up, as i'm sure it comes up with every franchise with a legit QB. Now, whether they ever act on it is another story.
4 hours ago, Sweats said:And yet again, oh so close, but it was a shoot and a miss........franchises are not going to trade their best asset, im sure we can agree on that, however, i can guarantee you that they have at least considered it. That is called Business 101, son......(i'll dumb it down a little here)....it's called asset vs. acquisition.
Every team in the league has gone through the scenario of the "do the gains exceed the need". Every franchise has considered a trade of their best asset in terms of gain from the deal.......none ever do it, as it is franchise suicide, however, in order for them to do their due diligence, every possible scenario is on the table.
4 hours ago, Sweats said:And i can guarantee that you are wrong.
3 hours ago, Sweats said:Fans don't ever want to admit this, but everything is negotiable, and everything has a price.
You can't tell me that Beane already hasn't gotten 8-12 (and even that is probably low) trade scenarios across his desk for JA from other franchises and of course his answer will be no, but offers are considered every day, not every offer is acted upon.
The FO will do their due diligence and consider every offer or trade, but that doesn't mean they will accept any........this, my friends, is business.
JA is a Bill.....he isn't going anywhere.
Wow, disillusioned.
100% chance Beane has considered trading JA, if the right scenario comes across his desk.........that's business, son.
2 hours ago, Sweats said:1) It's a lazy and irresponsible response to even think that every single player in the NFL is untouchable, that every single player is above an offer or trade, that every single player is of god-like status to their franchise
2) Maybe Beane has never considered trading JA, but he would if the right deal came along, i can assure you that
3) Can you guarantee that no other team since 2018 hasn't called the Bills asking Beane if he has a price or trade value on JA?.....so you're telling me that Beane hasn't gotten even one phone call from 31 other teams about what it would take to let JA walk?........wow, just wow guy.
4) Yes, it takes 2 to make a deal, however, that's if the deal is made.....it only takes one to offer the deal
5) Would any franchise in their right minds want to offer the deal/money/trade capital for what it would take to get JA?.......probably not, but you know there's some fairly stupid franchises out there (i'm looking at you Browns, Jets, etc.) and stupid deals are done in this league all the time......nothing surprises me anymore, including a blind delusional fanbase with very little business insight.
I have spoken.
21 minutes ago, Sweats said:Nothing I've posted is stupid......it just depends on the mentality of the person reading it.
Beane is obviously not sitting around contemplating trade offers for JA, but if the right trade was dumped in his lap, are you telling me he wouldn't even consider it?
Are you saying that he would just hang up the phone without seeing what was offered?........or maybe it doesn't get even that far cause maybe he won't even answer the phone.
I'm not saying that JA is or ever will be trade bait, but at the end of the day, every player at every position is expendable for a price.
I mean...you have said everything you are claiming you didn't say in these posts...and even in these last couple starting to contradict your previous 100% guarantees that he has had offers and had consider them.
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1 hour ago, FireChans said:
There’s a world of difference in todays NFL of 4.71 and 4.57 imo
While I agree with you, still worth noting Keenan Allen ran a 4.71 and has been a high end WR1 still in the modern era. So I think its plausible Rice would have still been a great WR in the modern game, although probably not to the same degree that has him in the GOAT conversations like he is now.
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12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think Polk is a safe floor guy. He is going to play in this league and be a starting receiver. The upside is what I question a tad. He reminds me a bit of Alec Pierce who went to the Colts a couple of years ago in the second. Probably a better route runner. Doesn't quite have Pierce's size. He is a bit lacking after the catch for my money and while I don't think his top speed is terrible he doesn't get to it quickly.
I think if you are double dipping and going like a Worthy for example then Polk in the 2nd... I like what you have as a compliment of skills there. If we only took one and it was Polk in the second I think you have an upgrade on Gabe Davis. But you don't have a true #1 IMO.
I definitely agree with your overall premise in complimenting skills between players and also with him being a safe floor guy. I will say this though...if we landed both Worthy and Polk, I would put my money on Polk emerging as the WR1 and Worthy as the complimentary speed WR2 as Polk IMHO is a more complete WR than Worthy and will be the more effective player for Allen, especially in those harsh weather outdoor games. I don't however see any similarities with Alex Pierce as I don't at all seem them a comparable players in really any aspect of their games.
Polk is a precision route runner, who makes quick stops and sharp cuts, and it shows up on tape when they have used him as a RB or on short screens where he is blowing past defenders from complete stops or lateral moving prior to getting the ball. And he has probably the 2nd best ball skills in a loaded draft to only Odunze, and he has also shown some burst and acceleration at the top of routes to get to the ball and past the defender to make the catch.
No disrespect Gunner, but I think when people use the phrase "an upgrade to Gabe Davis" that is a misleading statement. What that statement implies is that they are similar players where one maybe does a couple things a little better than Gabe, but that is really selling the comparison short. Some of the knocks on Davis that keep him from people believing he can be a WR1, or even a top end WR2, are that he has a limited route tree, unreliable hands, lacks awareness, struggles with separation, and is a one dimensional WR (down field guy). Polk on the other hand is seen to be a precise route runner, with elite ball skills, exceptional hands, who has proven he can play outside and from the slot, gets separation in all 3 phases of the field, and shown excellent awareness to where the ball is to go get it.
While saying he is an upgrade to Gabe Davis is factual IMHO, I think the degree of the upgrade is being understated in the way you presented it. Polk is certainly a better prospect than Gabe was coming out, and has a much higher ceiling than just a Gabe Davis upgrade. And having watched him play a lot this year, I agree that he has a high floor, like feeling confident he is at least going to be a good WR2 for someone. But to also assume that his ceiling would be a mistake IMHO, I think he has WR1 potential, especially in a situation where you can compliment him with that speed threat opposite him.
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9 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Haven’t watched enough of him, but my baseline concern is ability to get open v man at the NFL level.
That’s not just him, that’s any relatively slower player.
I get that, but as you said, go watch him play actual football and I promise you that you won't come away with the thought he is a "slower player". 4.54 gets mis labeled as slow, but its not that slow and when you put pads on and getting open and beating man involves everything from agility, route running, strength, etc, you will see that a guy can get open with ease at all 3 phases of the field, even at less than elite speed.
I encourage you and everyone to watch this...I mean he is separating all over the field and every throw is 40 yards down field. This guy I am telling you all should not be over looked because his "underwear olympics" (as @Beck Watercoined it) 40 times was not as fast as some of the other prospects, but was fast enough. This dude plays fast with aggression, power, and has elite ball skills and hands.
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6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
So question: do you think he plays faster than his 40 time?
I sometimes think too much is made of the "underwear olympics". Not that speed isn't important, but as you note, there are guys who put up fast 40 times, but who just don't have burst off the line or suddenness when changing direction.
Some scouts seem to think that Polk has burst, strength, and explosiveness which may be more important to NFL success in a WR than just ability to run fast 40 yds in a straight line.
Yes, I think he very much does. Speed on the field comes from a lot of things, not just as you put it “underwear Olympics” forty times.
For example, anyone who thinks Worthy is gonna play as fast as Tyreek Hill are puzzling to me. Hill has elite speed in every capacity, not just straight line speed and is strong and physical despite his short height.
I mean I would take Polk right now over Coleman for example who by almost all accounts is projected to go ahead of Polk. Coleman does have some separation concerns and he isn’t as good on contested catches as Polk and doesn’t have the level of ball skills Polk has which I think is only second to Odunze in this draft, and a close second.
Honestly I would take Polk over Worthy, Legette, Coleman and Pearsall, all guys projected to go ahead of him.
Worthy to me lacks the strength and frame to be a true WR1, especially in Buffalo.
Legette has maybe a higher ceiling, but also a much lower floor as he is not nearly as polished in many of the areas Polk is.
Pearsall I think is better suited as a WR2, although I do think he had potential to be a great WR2.
And Coleman as I said has question marks about creating separation at the next level. I’m worried he is Gabe Davis with better hands if he can’t separate in the NFL enough.
If we don’t trade up, the top 5 wish list guys for me are currently: Mitchell, McConkey, Franklin, Polk, Legette. I would take Mitchell at 28, but would probably try and trade back if I was going after one of the other guys.
If we trade up, then obviously any of the big 4 are excellent options for us. My guess would be that Thomas is the most obtainable or maybe Odunze.
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30 minutes ago, FireChans said:
The one strategy that I have always subscribed to is getting day 1/2 talent in day 3 because of poor medicals, off the field concerns, etc.
We have seen this pay off for teams in the past.
Mathieu
Hill
Biadasz
Trey Smith
Paye
JOK
Myles Jack
Mixon
Those guys all fell due to medicals or off the field stuff. And they all wildly outperformed their draft position.
So who are the red flag guys who have great talent, and a not so great background?
I know this guy isn't a true sleeper, but I think his value is being slept on too much, and that is Ja'lynn Polk, WR, Huskies. He has superior ball skills and strong hands, and 100% fits that theme Beane and McD want of making the catch. What he lacks in 40 time he more than makes up for with route precision, physicality, and ball skills. With a draft this deep, its not a surprise some of these guys are getting almost lost in the shuffle in the draft buzz. But if the Bills exited this draft with just Polk as the addition at WR, I would still be excited.
Don't get me wrong, not at all saying he should be our target or who we should take at 28. I am saying, hypothetically Bills go another position at 28 and then wait to pick 60 to draft a WR, if Polk was the guy I would still be very stoked about him. I know the big knock is the 4.54 forty time...but that is faster than Keenan Allen, Larry Fitzgerald, Cooper Kupp, etc who all had over 4.6 to over 4.7 forty times. What people fail to realize about 40 times too often is that straight line speed in shorts and does not automatically translate to on field speed of play.
A guy slower in the 40 may play faster or be better at getting separation at the next level than someone who put up a faster time. It is not the end all be all measurement its made out to be.
So for me, Polk is not getting enough buzz, but I really think he is going to be a very good player in the NFL. And in Buffalo, where bad weather often helps even the playing field speed wise in those late season and playoff games, having a guy with exceptional ball skills, who runs precise routes and is physical can be a major weapon.
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20 minutes ago, Sweats said:
Wow, you guys are feisty today
Lets recap:
- You post a trade scenario for probably the most loved player in Western NY sports history.
- A player that has averaged 5100 yards and 44 TD's and been a perennial MVP candidate for 4 straight years still in his prime on a discount compared to other top paid QB's in the league.
- Then you use compensation that is GROSSLY undervaluing him that has NO possibility of ever being considered by anyone within the Bills organization.
- Then you compound it by telling the doubters here that you "100% guaranteeing" that BOTH the offers have come in and that Beane HAS considered trading him because you know "business".
So I am not sure what is worse...your original never gonna happen trade offer or that you thought this would go better around here lol
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1 hour ago, Gregg said:
Hypothetical trade between the Bills and Chiefs.
Chiefs get a red balloon, a kit kat, bubble gum, and an Aaron Judge baseball card.
Bills get Chris Jones.
Discuss
I would almost argue this has more possibility than the Josh Allen trade proposal in the OP...
Before I can answer yes or no...I need to know what kind of bubble gum it is first, that would be the key to this trade for me
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55 minutes ago, Sweats said:
1) It's a lazy and irresponsible response to even think that every single player in the NFL is untouchable, that every single player is above an offer or trade, that every single player is of god-like status to their franchise
Stop moving the goal post. We are not talking about every player in the NFL, we are talking about one specific player, so stop putting words in my mouth as if I said everyone is untouchable.
55 minutes ago, Sweats said:2) Maybe Beane has never considered trading JA, but he would if the right deal came along, i can assure you that
And that right deal is not a deal anyone would offer to move the needle for Beane is the point because everyone knows Allen is not available for trade and to make him available would cost more than any team is willing to pay.
55 minutes ago, Sweats said:3) Can you guarantee that no other team since 2018 hasn't called the Bills asking Beane if he has a price or trade value on JA?.....so you're telling me that Beane hasn't gotten even one phone call from 31 other teams about what it would take to let JA walk?........wow, just wow guy.
Geezus dude...moving the needle again. You want to speculate that maybe someone inquired in Josh's first 2 years before he became untouchable to the Bills after his year 3 breakout, then sure go ahead and do that. But you know you aren't talking about then, you are talking about NOW (see OP and Poll)...and in recent time since Allen became what Allen is now, which is untouchable to this franchise after averaging 5100 yards and 44 TDS per year for the past 4 seasons.
55 minutes ago, Sweats said:4) Yes, it takes 2 to make a deal, however, that's if the deal is made.....it only takes one to offer the deal
Again...I don't think you understand the difference in ONE side OFFERING and the OTHER side CONSIDERING or not. Just because a team makes an offer does not in any circumstance equate to the other team "considering" it before making a decision. There is absolutely no chance what so ever that someone called Beane and made an offer where Beane actually CONSIDERED it before saying no. It would have been met with an immediate no and probably some laughter.
55 minutes ago, Sweats said:5) Would any franchise in their right minds want to offer the deal/money/trade capital for what it would take to get JA?.......probably not, but you know there's some fairly stupid franchises out there (i'm looking at you Browns, Jets, etc.) and stupid deals are done in this league all the time......nothing surprises me anymore, including a blind delusional fanbase with very little business insight.
I have spoken.
Hate to break it to you, but none of what you are saying is business insight. It's make believe "what if" stuff that will never happen, and has never happened, and literally has nothing to do with business.
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34 minutes ago, Sweats said:
Fans don't ever want to admit this, but everything is negotiable, and everything has a price.
You can't tell me that Beane already hasn't gotten 8-12 (and even that is probably low) trade scenarios across his desk for JA from other franchises and of course his answer will be no, but offers are considered every day, not every offer is acted upon.
The FO will do their due diligence and consider every offer or trade, but that doesn't mean they will accept any........this, my friends, is business.
JA is a Bill.....he isn't going anywhere.
Wow, disillusioned.
100% chance Beane has considered trading JA, if the right scenario comes across his desk.........that's business, son.
You don’t seem to know the difference from someone calling to ask the impossible and Beane actually considering it.There has absolutely under no circumstance been even been one second of thought by Beane considering whether his answer should be yes or no. The fact you delusionaly think you can “guarantee” it’s happened is maybe the most ludicrous thing I’ve seen written on the board this year.
Not only that, I highly doubt no team in the NFL has even attempted to approach the Bills about a trade for Josh Allen as everyone in the league already knows that not only is he 100% not available, to even begin to get the Bills to think for even 1 second before saying no, the offer would have to be so ludicrous that they couldn’t make that offer in the first place.
To say everyone had a price is such a lazy cop out and a false statement. It takes TWO to make a deal…so it’s not just everyone has a price, there needs to be someone willing to pay that price, and I assure you there are 0 teams that would ever pay the price it would take for Beane to even think about it, let alone say yes.
So sorry, but I guarantee you’re categorically wrong about Beane having considered trading Josh Allen.
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What makes this trade worse and inherently dumber, is that any future picks from Bears would be late round picks as hey would win too much with Allen. So you’re not even getting good picks back.
Anyone who votes yes should have their account suspended until after the draft because the yes vote is that dumb
31 minutes ago, Sweats said:And i can guarantee that you are wrong.
Wrong. 0% chance Beane has considered trading Josh Allen. ZERO.-
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3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:
You are going to die on this hill aren't you. (luv ya Alpha )
yea complete team. yea we lost cuz of defense ( i suggest injuries were a major factor )
But Allen could put up plenty more points and got well ahead in the first half of games with a game changer at WR.The others like Samuel Shakir and Kincaid and Cook will fill the gaps when needed.
If you take over the game early on Offense the whole second half changes. Adjustments and coaching what ya brung
But for sure lift the whole boat , its just how we all perceive doing just that 😋
Great minds 😉
Hahaha all good and all luv brother! And I don't know that I would say I am gonna die on this hill haha, but I definitely don't want to over compensate either.
I think you are very much underestimating the Bills young core right now. Cook is a dual threat, he is more than someone to fill gaps. We have arguably the best TE room in the league right now having both Kincaid and Knox. If all the teams lined up and drafted only TE's across the NFL, I guarantee you Kincaid would be picked top 3 by most GMs...some would take him higher than that. Shakir just led all WR's in catch rate, yards per target, and efficiency. Samuel is in his prime at 27 and finally playing with a real QB for the first time in his career after already being a pretty productive player who had his best year under Brady in Carolina.
Now, Kincaid is entering year 2...Shakir year 3 (that fabled year where WR's often take another step forward)...and Cook year 3 now fully entrenched as the lead back and an OC committed to get him the ball on the ground and through the air.
That is a pretty exciting young core...I wouldn't refer to them as "gap fillers", this is going to be a spread the ball around offense and all of those guys will play heavy roles this year along with what ever Rookie we take early. Now what rookie is the question...personally I think it seems to be trending towards Troy Franklin right now, but I still am hoping for Brian Thomas. Although I would be stoked about Franklin still, just hoping its Thomas. My real draft crush is Odunze, but I am skeptical Beane will go up that high to get him unless he falls into the mid first range, but I seriously doubt that happens. I think its more likely the big 3 all go top 10.
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Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State - Cardinals
Rome Odunze, Washington - Buffalo
Ladd McConkey, Georgia - Carolina
Brian Thomas Jr., LSU - Chiefs
Xavier Worthy Texas- Cowboys
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4 hours ago, FireChans said:
We are never going to suck bad enough to pick where the next Jamar Chase is going to go unless Josh gets hurt.
So you either leverage your future or you don’t complain about not having elite weapons.
I don't complain. We have better weapons than people think. We have arguably the best TE room in the NFL with the combo of Kincaid and Knox, a dual threat RB in Cook who broke out last year, a young productive WR in his prime who has never had a real QB in Samuel, and a young WR who just led the NFL in catch rate, Yards per target, and efficiency in Shakir. And I have no doubt we are going to add another high quality WR via the draft, possibly 2.
The over exaggeration of how "bad" our weapons have been is comical around here. There are teams who would kill for our roster of weapons last year. For how "bad" our weapons have been, Josh by some miracle has managed for the last 4 years be an MVP finalist, average 5100 yards and 44 TDs, lead the 2nd highest scoring and 2nd highest winning team over those 4 years, and set the NFL record for most TD's in his first 5 seasons and continued that record to now be most TD's in first 6 seasons.
Same QB who put up 9 TD's in 2 games to see his defense bounce him in the playoffs against KC. Same QB who has watched his defense crumble all of the last 4 years in the playoffs.
So while I agree, we are never going to suck bad enough to get a Chase (unless Allen gets hurt like Burrow did which allowed Cincy to get Chase), Chase and Higgins didn't win a SB either, and now that window is gone most likely with Higgins probably getting traded and cap issues making it hard to pay both now that Burrow is getting paid.
Personally, with our current group and whatever Rookie(s) we add, I think Allen is going to have his best season to date.
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7 hours ago, FireChans said:
We don’t have a ton of assets unfortunately. So I do agree with you.
I would much rather have 2 cost controlled WR’s at this stage of our team. But that’s really just because it’s the reality of the 2024 Bills. Ideally, I would take a WR high and get an Aiyuk if I could.
But the facts of the matter are clear. The Eagles used a top 10 pick on Smith, and traded a first for Brown and signed him to big money. They went from a fringe playoff team to a SB team.
The Bengals used a top 10 pick on Chase, and pick 33 on Tee Higgins. They went from the worst team in football to a SB team.
The 49ers remained an SB team by spending a first round pick on WR, and giving Deebo and Kittle and CMC big money. All without a great QB.
The Rams paid big money to Kupp, Gave Woods a decent sized contract, traded a second for Watkins, traded a first for Cooks, and brought in OBJ for a run. They went to two Super Bowls and won 1.
The Bucs invested a lot in their group of Evans, Godwin, etc etc for their SB.
really, the only team to go to with a horrific receiving target group was the Chiefs. And much like the old Patriots, it’s hard to replicate their strategy because they win even when their strategy sucks. And they didn’t even not invest, they just had crappy investments. 2nd for Toney, 2nd for Skyy Moore, 2nd for Rice.
Surround your great QB with talent so he can be great in the biggest moments is obviously the way. We have the QB. It’s time to invest in the talent around him.
Keep in mind, I have not once said it’s bad to acquire WR talent…I said it had not paid off to heavily over leverage and invest to where you take away from your team. So people keep bringing up Bengals for example who drafted Higgins and then because Burrow missed his rookie year had Chase fall in their lap.
What I’m against is over leveraging assets to WR at a detriment of other potions on the roster by spending important draft capital and cap space.
While I don’t think we have to mortgage our future for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze because this class is so strong, I would still much rather go get one of them and avoid paying a WR $28M for the next 3-4 years.
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7 hours ago, 90sBills said:
It was 2nd for Hardman not Toney but your point remains. I think it worked for NE during their run and it’s working now with KC because they had/have QBs that were/are relentless at being the best and could squeeze more from mediocre guys than most could.For the Bills I agree that we have to surround Allen with as much talent as possible. Diggs was a top 5 wr and it was still not enough. So we’d need two of those types of guys. It’s better to hit them in the draft than overpay in free agency so there could be resources for other areas. I don’t think it’s feasible to chase top wr free agents by overpaying.
So Allen, who averages 5100 yards and 44 TDs for the past 4 years isn’t good enough and needs the best receiver group in the league? Then why have lesser QBs won Super Bowls without having a receiver as good as Diggs?
Allen has the most TDs in NFL history…but somehow he must have the best WR group in the league to get a SB?
We are also 2nd in wins and 2nd in scoring over those 4 years. But we supposedly can’t win a SB without have 2 top WR1 level receivers according to a lot of people here, and that makes no sense.
I mean, look at our last 4 playoff exits…
2020 - We lost to KC as we were the lesser overall team.
2021 - We had a WR put up over 200 yards and 4 TDs and lost because our defense gave up 17 points in final couple minutes and OT.
2022 - Cincy dominated us in trenches on both sides of the ball and Brady couldn’t get a run game going in bad weather.2023 - We lost because we had no LBs, and the ghost of Kelce and Mahomes attacked our LBs all game and we couldn’t get Mahomes dirty.
Everyone wants as many great WRs we can get…myself included. But neglecting the roster to go all in on WRs for a team with a huge QB contract and cap issues is a big risk as it leaves you thin elsewhere.
So giving up a bunch of picks and paying Aiyuk means we are weaker elsewhere. Not to mention, we are an outdoor bad weather stadium where the first thing impacted is passing game. And this team was already not good enough with Diggs to get there with guys like Tre, Poyer, Hyde, Morse, Davis, etc. who are also all gone.
So stick to the draft and get that cap relief and pair Allen with someone for Allen’s prime while they are on a rookie contract. Dont compound the issue and give up valuable picks and then go pay the guy $28m. Because if you do, then you must hit on the majority of your remaining draft picks (very hard to do).
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16 minutes ago, FireChans said:
What strategy does pay off?
Im not saying it’s not good to have good WR group, I’m saying over weighing your assets into WR rather than balancing the roster has yet to really payoff for anyone.
Which is why I doubt Beane is going to both trade draft capital and pay Aiyuk in the high 20’s.
Id rather trade up for Odunze and at least get his cheaper contract, and that’s not because I don’t like Aiyuk, because I think he would be great with Allen. But if we tie up all that cap space and lose draft assets it’s going to hold us back at multiple valuable positions on this team through the loss of draft talent or the ability to sign people in free agency, including our own when they come due.
And we already came up short having a top 5 WR the last 4 years as it is.
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8 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
Anyone who actually watching Tua play knows that he is not the elite QB the stats were making him out to be.
You didn't mention the Eagles or Cincy, but they both got to a superbowl with elite WR talent, just because they didn't win one game doesn't mean it's not a sound strategy.
I said Dallas was an exception. You're just adding random teams after the fact.
No, I was adding more to further the point. And winning a SB is what matters, so pretty sure not winning that one game is kind of a big deal
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24 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
All of those with the exception of Dallas and maybe SF put the cart before the horse though, they were trying to make up subpar QB play with star WRs.
It doesn't matter how good your WR are if you can't consistently get the ball to them.
Totally, the QB cap hit is a massive roadblock, but if you're investing in your QB then you need to also invest in the weapons around him. Either with high draft picks every year (in the hopes you land a top 10-15 WR), or with a big contract veteran.
Huh? Miami's QB was an MVP candidate and still couldn't win the division with both Hill and Waddle and a 4 game lead last in the season. Eagles had their MVP candidate QB too and didn't get the job done yet with both AJ Brown and Smith. Cincy has Burrow and didn't get the job done with both Chase and Higgins. Dallas has Dak who has been one of the most prolific passers statistically in the NFL who had Cooper and Lamb.
So...yeah...your counter point makes no sense considering Dallas, SF, Mia, and Phi all had QB's who have been MVP candidates. Chargers had Allen and Williams with Herbert and can't even make the playoffs.
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4 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Come on bro.
Aiyuk over Julio Jones? Julio was filthy in 2015
Ha I am assuming this is either sarcasm directed at the other poster who keeps naming old fogey WR's as better than Aiyuk...or you just replied to me by mistake since I didn't mention Julio lol
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2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:
Olave, I will give you. How about DJ Moore? And Kupp healthy isn't better than Aiyuk?
Kupp has 2 seasons with over 1000 yards. Two.
My wife is a die hard Niners fan, and so I watch every Niners game. You are grossly undervaluing and underestimating Aiyuk. I would take him in a heartbeat over Olave and Kupp...and he is at least as good as DJ Moore. I would say they are pretty close to each other.
I don't think we should trade for him, but that doesn't mean you are accurately portraying him either. He is an excellent WR and would go off with a QB like Allen more than he already has. I mean look at what he is doing on a run heavy team with a 2nd year QB that doesn't have a big arm.
30 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:Do you ever actually look at things before you make arguments? He has had 100 catches or more 5 of the last 7 seasons, and over 1000 yards in all but one of those including last year and the only season he didn't was because he missed some time. How do you figure he is barely a WR 2 now?
As much as you are underrating Aiyuk, you are now overrating Keenan for this next season. Is he still a quality player, yes, but he isn't the player he once was and if the over/under on yards was 1000 yards this year I would take the under all day.
No disrespect, but you seem to be hung up on names more than being in tune to where some of these guys are right now. Kupp? Allen? No GM in the NFL would choose them over Aiyuk right now.
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4 minutes ago, Virgil said:
In hindsight, I feel bad for not approving it. That was the only trade attempt I denied for that reason. In previous years, people got out of hand with it and some picks got traded 4 times. I finally try to get ahead of that, and no one tried it.
That wasn't me bud, that was a trade I believe Gunner was doing. I didn't try to make a trade because I already knew the rule. Just saying, I probably would have packaged two 3rds to go get someone like Pearsall, Roman Wilson, or Polk to pair with Odunze with all that extra draft ammo I had after the two tiny trade backs. And I think the Cardinals might have as well...or for someone on the OL too, could see them making that move as well.
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I will be honest, I didn't either, I have been of the mindset he could go anywhere in round 2 though, so it didn't feel too early with the Ravens. But when I looked at the board for WR's with Ravens on the clock, I honestly didn't see one that I felt fits what the Ravens both do and need as well as Polk. Beyond what he brings to the table as a Receiver for them that fills a need they are lacking, he also is maybe the best blocking WR in the draft which is an ideal fit with how they want to run the ball.
Miami for me will have too many choices where they are desperate for help in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They lost a lot on defense, and with this division and conference, I don't think they can afford a luxury pick like Worthy there.
Thanks, and of course take it with a grain of salt, like any mock. Just more something I find interesting and fun to do, but you can never put too much stock in these things.