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  1. 3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

    Right, but if the QB simply holds the ball out and let's it go in the players hands, it may not be going forward.

    By the rules of the league and the way it’s been called all year it does mean the ball was going forward. 

  2. Throw in the fact the Canadian govt will not help with subsidies as another poster pointed out, the possibility of Toronto getting a franchise is a major long shot for the foreseeable future.

     

    Yeah, if he's frustrated by St. Louis not buying him a new stadium Toronto's not going to be any more ideal. I imagine Rogers Centre is a worse venue than the stadium they have too.

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    MAYBE the decision to get rid of him was OK. The deal was not.

    Lynch has nothing to do with Bryce Brown, but he was on his 2nd strike at that point wasn't he? And he had played himself out of the starting job and pretty clearly didn't want to be here. RBs don't get traded for much on good terms. What should they have gotten for him?

  4. The shallow, foolish and ultimately dangerous rationale of those who would curtail the freedom of the masses for the transgressions of the few.

    LOL. Freedom doesn't enter into it. This happened on stadium property. People camping out there are guests. It's a huge liability concern for the team and the county. Imagine if he'd turned the gun on other people first. I can't imagine the team wants to have to address this the morning of their home opener.

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    How do you ever expect something like this to gain traction when the second somebody takes the initiative to post it, a group of 5-10 posters (who actually would otherwise love to see something happen) try to make the poster feel like an idiot?

     

    All it takes is 100 or so people before the media picks it up and hundreds of people read these threads.

     

    I mean even if a small portion of each fanbase stops watching (only when their team isn't playing though of course) there are still millions of people watching who are fans of the other team, fans of the Patriots, who are just fans of the sport, or who have fantasy teams. So let's say you get your hundred people and Tim Graham or somebody comes calling to write a story about it what do you say the endgame is? Ideally what would you like to accomplish?

  6. Any chance they can sign him back at a reduced salary? I wish they would have cut one of the WRs who will never see any real time this year. There are just too many positions they have to keep an extra guy like TE and 3 QBs and an extra KO specialist, etc.

    There's no way they go through this day, call a press conference basically just to talk about it only to sign him again a few weeks later. It was reported that they never even tried to get him to take a paycut so his salary by itself wasn't the problem. He's gone.

  7. Neither of you understand the concept of Free Speech.

     

    Free Speech means free, as in: without consequences. If I can't say whatever I want, however offensive or misguided others think it is, because I have to fear what you/they might do about it, then I am not free. Period. Unpopular speech is exactly what must be defended, for all speech to be considered free.

     

    Free Speech has nothing to do with job performance. If Schopp were to be fired, it would be due to the latter, and only because the bosses at the station own the format, and determine what is acceptable performance. They are free to do what they want with their business.

     

    This has nothing to do with those external to the business, preventing/changing/cooling the speech they don't like, via a boycott.

     

    You can't claim to support Free Speech, but then also support totalitarian/mob rule tactics whose sole objective is to curtail it, like boycotts. Pick one or the other.

    No place in this country does free speech work the way you are describing and this entire topic is about his job performance so free speech doesn't even enter into it.

  8. Please refrain from co-opting my thread.

     

    I don't agree with boycotts, and I never will. My old signature was something along the lines of "You are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mock you mercilessly for it". We shouldn't be looking to kill piss poor free speech. Instead, we should be looking to come back at it with better free speech.

     

    Schopp has a God-given, not man-given, right to free speech. Or, if you're not into the whole God thing: man isn't allowed to take away rights, merely because they don't like what others do with them. That's what inalienable means.

     

    Boycotts are an attack on free speech. Period. The object of a boycott is to either remove the speech we don't like, or the speaker.

     

    That's crap.

    Whoa wait what is this nonsense? Free speech just means the government can't arrest you for certain kinds of speech. It doesn't give you carte blanche to say whatever you want without any sort of repercussions. Boycotts are part of the free market. If enough people stopped listening to WGR it's conceivable they would have to replace the on-air talent with people the public liked better. Schopp or anyone else on that station could say something today and if the station felt it wasn't in their best interests to keep that person anymore they could fire them and it would have nothing to do with God or the constitution.

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