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We lose this game, esp. if its "Miami ugly", do the wheels finally come off in the locker room?

The loss to Miami gives us 2 division losses. Pats have none. That alone makes it highly unlikely we can win the division.

Trade whatever it takes, less Josh Allen, to get Shanahan from the 49ers. His second string still wins games.

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My memory may be a little off, but this seems like a carbon copy of the situation two years ago that got Dorsey fired: A seriously flawed offensive system gets figured out by the rest of the league and runs into a wall. If we see something similar vs Tampa, I don’t expect Brady to survive it.

It's easy to mishandle an immature player. McDermott has done what most coaches would do: bench the player to send a message. Only it's not working. I'm not blaming McDermott as much as pointing out that he might have to try something different. Maybe nothing will work and, as you're implying, Coleman has to figure it out himself. But time is short. He might figure it out, and he might not. Hence my emphasis on McDermott's role. After all, isn't one of the key duties of a head coach to motivate his players? Coleman might be a hard case--the little prick in the back of the classroom--but the problem isn't unsolvable. The stakes are too high to NOT focus on what the coaches can do to salvage Coleman's career--and this season.

I'll double down and continue to say Josh is not a great pocket passer and the organization is trying to make him that. He's not Flacco or Brady back there. His magic is stepping up in the pocket, moving around, waiting for guys to break open and hitting them or taking off and running, burning the opponent that way.

This isn't a Miami week specific issue. He isn't just not throwing to the open guy, he is looking at guys who are open and just not throwing them the ball. His whole feel for the game is like half a beat off. I have seen him with 15+ yards of green grass in front of him only to chuck some last minute heave into double coverage that inevitibly falls incomplete instead of scampering out of bounds for 6 yards and leaving us with 3rd and 4 instead of 3rd and 10. It just has the feel of the 2018 season without the electricity. The comment about "mind somewhere else" seems to maybe fit. Fixable but concerning. I do think that he is slow to process compared to his QB 1a peers (ie Mahomes, Brady, Manning). His physicality and physiology bail him out. When he is sharp he is unstopabble, but we he is not it isn't pretty. Anyways, it is clear this team would be lucky to even have two wins right now if it weren't for Allen. But better QB play would also have us undefeated.

Maybe McDermott can hook him up with his new optometrist.

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There's nothing wrong... with being wrong. It's the refusal to admit mistakes were made, the doubling-down, and the smugness of it all for me....

I'm afraid I disagree with basically all of this.

We won't know for sure until the heated concourses are installed.

The 49’ers: “Hold my beer”.

It's gotten quite stale. I got a bad feeling about these next two games.

I can almost see Josh pulling an Andrew Luck, where football is last on his passion list. He is married starting a family has money, taking a beating is getting old wants to protect his body ,would not shock me a bit.

Agree tenfold. From 2019 to 2022 he understood adding elite talent over JAGs is a good thing and now has gone the other way.

After nine years it feels like a change is needed. The Eagles eventually moved on from Reid, and he had more success in Philly then Sean has had in Buffalo. He led the Eagles to 9 playoff runs, 6 division titles, 5 NFCCG appearances as well as a Super Bowl appearance. The Bills IMHO need a change. I would love to hear from Terry on what he thinks of the Bills right now since his opinion is the only one that counts.

of course. Jordan missed plenty of shots, and Brady lost a bunch of games. these are human beings. I think it’s totally fine to call plays they miss. though my expectations aren’t perfection and I don’t think he is the primary overarching issue with this season unless we are accepting that the only plan was the we have super man and he can just turn it on and off at will. why can’t the receivers also play towards their floor and not their ceiling? especially missing Palmer/kincaid

I don't know what's going on but the dam injuries have sucked this year !! It looked as if going into the season with the players they had it would be a decent year but I don't know of any team that could sustain this many injuries especially to starters and the depth players ridiculous .

OK.. When Josh is playing in-system, the passing game can be a solid B. When he does not, it is a D. No A grade because of limitations in the receiving corps, but when it is at below B, some of the fault lies with Josh. And it seems the further below a B it is, the more it is Josh not playing up to his standards, not because the receivers just suck. Agree?

I was on board for letting Edmunds walk at the contract he signed, just didn't feel like he was worth it. But after seeing all the overpaid contracts Beane hands out to JAGS he drafted, I would have much rather they just paid Edmunds. Palmer and Samuel contract is about what Edmunfs is. Then look at Bernard, Benford, Knox, Shakir, Milano etc the list goes on of overpaid Jags. Money would have been better used just signing Edmunds

I presume Kubiak knows a lot more than I do, but seeing his comments as well as others in the thread I’d say the answer is all of the above. I’d make these points: 1. Our O line stunk, and even those with a modicum of understanding of the nuances of football could see that. Terrible run blocking and we cannot adjust the blitzes a lot of times (might also be on Josh). 2. WRs. Our WRs do struggle to get separation, and we really miss Palmer in that regard. Plus when Josh was rushed they did a terrible job adjusting routes or working their way to an open spot on the field. It is not the group per se; the only major difference from last year is Hollins and that can’t be why this group is so non-effective. 3. Josh. It seems to me he is hesitant at the line and not sure what he sees in the defense. As a result he is hesitant about where to go with the ball, and as such is not seeing guys that are more open where he can make easy completions. I don’t place any stock in the marriage affecting him stuff, but he does look like he is getting confused and frustrated out there, which leads his to try and play hero ball too much such as with the sneak and fumble that essentially ended the game. 4. Brady. This to me is the biggest problem last week, and in the other losses. He does not adapt well at all within games and he gets away too quickly from stuff that works. I keep talking about two things from last year: the 4+1 alignment and using Ty Johnson as a receiver. Both highly successful last year, neither used much this year. When we pulled that dumb 4th down play I knew it would be a long day. Just an overall horse hockey performance by everyone associated with the offensive side on the football.

Cook didn’t get many carries because he was getting stuffed every time they ran the ball and it was putting them behind the sticks in a game where they trailed from the beginning. People don’t want to admit it, but Miami has a pretty formidable front seven vs the run. It’s their DBs that are awful and we couldn’t take advantage.

Bro saw Keon play the last nine weeks and decided he must be washed. Can't blame him. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=774537612034620